tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post3154850413512682006..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: Joe Gibbs Comments on ESPN About Jeremy MayfieldDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger49125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-46503392741857248712009-07-24T14:12:44.257-04:002009-07-24T14:12:44.257-04:00Interesting story on NASCAR.com that Mayfields man...Interesting story on NASCAR.com that Mayfields many drug test would not pass muster. Why?<br /><br />The same reason I've been yapping about for weeks (although others dissed my obsession with it)<br /><br />OBSERVED COLLECTION OF SPECIMEN. That's right, eyewitness sees it leave the body into a cup.<br /><br />Thus 100 tests of the HIGHTEST techno/chemistry analysis/grades, blah, blah, blah, USELESS if they did not witness JM.<br /><br />Well I just wanted to put this here tho I realize most are not reading this article anymore. <br /><br />I wasn't crazy to be so stern on that aspect. = :-)Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67338615831215018312009-07-24T05:06:49.923-04:002009-07-24T05:06:49.923-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-36580804528862181842009-07-24T00:31:13.542-04:002009-07-24T00:31:13.542-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-90148894527655303792009-07-23T22:46:04.308-04:002009-07-23T22:46:04.308-04:00John,
I almost choked when you used crank-up. Tha...John,<br /><br />I almost choked when you used crank-up. That kind of writing is why I love your blog.<br /><br />"By the time things crank-up for The Brickyard, Mayfield will have joined the number of other NASCAR license-holders this season who have been asked to leave and get their lives in order because of substance abuse."<br /><br />"Mayfield Drowns Face Down (New Lab Test Info Friday 10PM)"Kimmernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-81222870249299579342009-07-23T20:18:19.844-04:002009-07-23T20:18:19.844-04:00JD -
I assume your question to me at 7/23/09 6:00...JD -<br /><br />I assume your question to me at 7/23/09 6:00 AM was rhetorical and no answer was expected. Nonetheless, I will respond.<br /><br />I have not purchased the book, and I can assure you that I won't be looking for it at the local library or on Amazon. Based on the public record of the company they keep and the company they run, I have no inclination to seek spiritual or ethical advice from either Joe or J.D. Gibbs.<br /><br />Michigan fanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-12108421083527702332009-07-23T18:26:03.030-04:002009-07-23T18:26:03.030-04:00FYI:
jayski.com 7/23/09
"Mayfield's hai...FYI:<br />jayski.com 7/23/09<br />"Mayfield's hair may be tested: The back and forth between NASCAR and driver Jeremy Mayfield over drug allegations has gotten so bad that in Mayfield's latest statement he describes the humiliation of having to go to the bathroom while someone watched. So what could bring it all to an end? It turns out it could come down to a piece of hair. "It's like the bully in school," Jeremy Mayfield told NewsChannel 36 last week. "Every three to five days I go get tested." Who ends up in victory lane may come down to the difference between urinating in a cup and pulling a hair. "The drug that is incorporated into your hair -- it stays there. You get a record, basically, of drug use with the hair," said Dr. Ruth Winecker, the chief toxicologist for the North Carolina Medical Examiner's Office. She says there's no messing with hair. But no one has tested Mayfield's hair, just his urine samples. "There are techniques people can use to try to cheat the system," Winecker said. That's exactly what both sides have accused each other of doing. NASCAR says Mayfield diluted his urine even before testing positive for meth, and Mayfield says NASCAR did something to his urine. NewsChannel 36 asked Mayfield's attorney if they'll be testing his hair as the judge in the case suggested several weeks ago. Attorney John Buric told us they are looking at the possibility, but right now they have been told Mayfield's hair is too short.(NewsChannel 36)(7-23-2009) Comment here"<br /> I have read that Mayfield had already had the hair test done. For the first time I am questioning JM. If head hair is too short, they can use an arm hair instead. <br /> MarybethAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-25623274902306408942009-07-23T17:46:09.676-04:002009-07-23T17:46:09.676-04:00I think the public would be more informed if the m...I think the public would be more informed if the media had done a better job of researching and presenting facts - and if there were not so many people in the media (especially old newspaper guys) who believe their job is first to bash NASCAR and avoid any facts that might interfere.<br /><br />Who in the media has presented any information about Aegis' track record, about the mechanics of the drug testing programs of other major sports in comparison to NASCAR's, and about how the NASCAR program was developed and who was involved?<br /><br />Like plantiff attorneys, facts can often foul up a good story.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-1062794955805202102009-07-23T17:03:18.604-04:002009-07-23T17:03:18.604-04:00just read on twitter IF jeremy's injunction ho...just read on twitter IF jeremy's injunction holds up, could have sponsor for Indy & beyond. 4wide.com reports.<br /><br />SmallSponsor.com to help Jeremy Mayfield at Indianapolis?<br /><br />Got the link on Twitter. Now how this will happen who knows?<br /><br />But just when I think I am sick & tired of reading this story, more twists, & I am sucked back into it!?#$ <br /><br />= :-oSophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-43813571307376758782009-07-23T16:17:48.430-04:002009-07-23T16:17:48.430-04:00I think too many fans are willing to accept Aegis ...I think too many fans are willing to accept Aegis statements at face value. That's exactly what they and NASCAR want you to do. They want the focus to be entirely on JM and never have their own actions questioned or examined.<br /><br />There is plenty of history to question the truth and accuracy of statements even from labs with the best of reputations. Google "scandal touches even elite labs" and you will find a 2004 article by the Chicago Tribune. It is a comprehensive look at problems with labs.<br /><br />Amongst public labs with no profit motive, the FBI lab and the state of Virgina have had major scandals. There you have labs dealing with national security and criminal prosecutions producing incorrect results through human misconduct and/or ignorance.<br /><br />With private labs, you also have the economic pressure which may compromise the lab's integrity. Most of them deal with private/administrative matters. If we can't rely on labs for critical matters like national security and criminal prosecution, how much assurance can we have on these "less important" issues?<br /><br />The Tribune article also deals extensively with the attitude of these labs when any outsider wants to examine their procedures. They want to do their analyses in private without ever having their own conduct examined.<br /><br />If pop culture is more to your taste, just watch the several "Law and Order" series. These shows are well known for taking events from the news and creating fictional stories which deal with similar issues. Law and Order has done numerous shows through the years that deal with faulty lab work and/or misconduct by employees. If you watch the news and Law and Order, you can see the connection between the real events and their fictional stories.<br /><br />If you prefer non-fiction, watch the Discovery channels and the A&E channels. They have featured a number of real life cases where people were convicted of criminal acts based on the evidence offered by expert witnesses. The juries accepted their evidence based on an aura of professional expertise. That aura resulted in the conviction of innocent people. Those are the ones we know about because the defendant somehow got someone to reexamine the evidence. How many more innocent people have been convicted on bad scientific evidence but haven't been able to mount a challenge?<br /><br />I earned a college degree from a major engineering school, and I have worked in a wide variety of jobs related to engineering. In some sense, I think of myself as a technocrat. Speaking as one myself, I offer the following warnings. Beware of any technocrat who: (1)Tells you he knows everything there is to know about a subject, (2) Tells you something is impossible, or (3) Tells you he doesn't make mistakes.<br /><br />Some people think there must be some kind of evil motive or conspiracy for harm to be done to JM, and they reject that idea. The truth is that most of these things happen through simple human falibility. Some of the more common causes are (1) Bad science, (2) Sloppy procedures, (3) Work performed by unqualified people, and (4) Arrogance and conceit. Once a mistake is made for any reason, the instinct is to cover it up and deny wrong-doing.<br /><br />This post may come off as an attack on Aegis and NASCAR. It is not intended that way. It is meant to state an aspect of the JM case (the conduct and credibility of major labs) that has received little or no attention. I have formed no opinion on JM because I don't have enough information, and I never will. I acknowledge that serious allegations have been made, and there are serious questions on both sides. I believe the proper way to decide the issue is for a fair and impartial person to hear both sides, and a federal judge fits that bill. The court system may be imperfect, but it is better than the other options.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-1358838955398077172009-07-23T16:17:21.259-04:002009-07-23T16:17:21.259-04:00banzaibonnie, you're incorrect about the treat...banzaibonnie, you're incorrect about the treatment Tony received when he caused problems for JGR. Stewart was forced into anger management classes by Gibbs and had to toe the line, or was threatened with being suspended from the Home Depot team. You certainly don't hear anything such as that being thrown at Busch. If you watch the old Sport's Century program that featured Stewart, they had an entire section devoted to the problems he had early on with JGR and the things he had to do to satisfy Gibbs pertaining to his anger management issues.<br /><br />As for Gibbs, personally, I have a problem with any person, or group, who use faith to bolster their credibility. Hypocrisy seems to run amok with some individuals who talk the religious talk, but can't walk the walk. When you give tacit approval to questionable behaviors that wouldn't pass muster within religious circles, one has to wonder the basic reasoning behind everything one stands for. Is this much publicized devotion used to elicit positive feelings from the general public? You just have to ask if the devotion is true, or is this a case of being a "jack Christian"? But I guess when you're courting the "Benjamin's", everything is fair game.<br /><br />Bama23Smoke20, I must respectfully point out that on this board, unlike every other board out there, we do not sink to the lowest common denominator and revert to name calling. Please, state your case and make your feelings known without becoming personal and using insults to make your case. Believe me, your talking points will be taken much more seriously without the name calling.darbarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-70597254618748979812009-07-23T15:04:05.762-04:002009-07-23T15:04:05.762-04:00Why does anyone expect Gibbs to throw Kyle under t...Why does anyone expect Gibbs to throw Kyle under the bus? I don't recall him doing so to Smoke' who was far worse than kyle at one time.banzaibonnienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-5119035324592394872009-07-23T15:01:52.708-04:002009-07-23T15:01:52.708-04:00Joe Gibbs said "When a driver signs-on to rac...Joe Gibbs said "When a driver signs-on to race for a race team, he is saying that he is going to be a corporate representative."<br /><br />This is coming from a guy who, while under a no contact (with other manufacturers) clause in his contract with GM/Chevrolet, sent his engineers to Michael Waltrip's race team to work on their toyotas. Mikey won a pole immediately after that and in a post-qualifying interview thanked "the boys from Joe Gibbs" who came down to MWR and worked on their equipment. I'm not a Mayfield fan at all, I think he should be kicked out for good. But Gibbs is a man who tolerated wife beaters, steroid abusers, and pot-heads on his Redskins teams. He speaks with zero credibility to this fan.Kevin in Brownsburghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07587307086741704859noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-87275724917694572382009-07-23T14:57:55.357-04:002009-07-23T14:57:55.357-04:00According to the affidavit by the step-mom, Jeremy...According to the affidavit by the step-mom, Jeremy may have been mixing his meth up in the car on the way to a 4th place at the brickyard in 2005 (ESPN Classic, 7/23/09). He drove clean and didn't cause any wrecks. Does NASCAR really think Mayfield fans are just going to go away and let them throw this racer's career away. King France and his puppet Poston can't even follow Federal protocols for administering career ending drug tests or in this case, witch hunts, so any comments from these 2 yahoos regarding this situation should be dismissed as propaganda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-62703877803945599502009-07-23T14:46:17.414-04:002009-07-23T14:46:17.414-04:00Anon
I had NO idea it was a practice in NFL or ot...Anon<br /><br />I had NO idea it was a practice in NFL or others to "Pay off doctors to alter tests" until today. Thank you for posting this here.<br /><br />One could spend all day chasing articles online. I read what is here, from JD and posters, and Twitter and am getting quite an education.<br /><br />Thank you.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-153105015195858572009-07-23T14:06:24.217-04:002009-07-23T14:06:24.217-04:00Okay...not even a fan of racing so I have no allia...Okay...not even a fan of racing so I have no alliances to either party here.<br />However I can't go without some comment to Joe Gibb's validation of the "NASCAR Drug Testing Policy"<br />I am sure he is under some pressure be it self imposed or from some source within NASCAR. <br />I would like to remind everyone that the NFL has had its own share of problems with corrupt Dr's changing results for money etc. The NFL had to fire one man who Botched several tests and was also NASCAR'S Testing AGENT in the late 80's Named...(Dr. Tennant) who then later came out in the early 90's to state that he was paid off by NASCAR to "falsify" test results of Tim Richmond in order to remove him from racing.<br />I have an extensive background with testing... certainly at least as much as Joe Gibbs but in my case on the International level... You never let the organizers of an event select the nominees for testing. Selection of athletes should only be done by an independent agent or lab(s) Furthermore, Aegis... Has had this trouble before... Aegis made a mistake on a firefighter's test involving an illegal banned substance and insisted they made no such mistake (they showed a positive result for something that was not there). Aegis went to court and was finally forced to admit harm in an incorrect result. The city for which Aegis was contracted was ordered by the court to re-instate the Firefighter who had been fired from his job due to the false Aegis test results and Aegis had to pay Approx $69,000 in damages to the municipality that they were involved with.<br />I don't know Jeremy Mayfield... but I will tell you if you are blindly trusting Aegis and NASCAR you will not be getting the full story based on their track record of trying to cover the truth!<br />Jeremy.... if you had a Driver's union this would be over already.<br />He may not be the most eloquent spokesman but that certainly does not make him guilty!<br />My opinion... He's probably innocent.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67630980279519738832009-07-23T13:51:02.158-04:002009-07-23T13:51:02.158-04:00anon
WOW. I did not know that part of the story a...anon<br /><br />WOW. I did not know that part of the story about Richmond! If indeed that is true....well, it's disgusting.<br /><br />Yes I know A.I.D.S. was scary back then but not enough to ruin a life over (I was working in a doctor's office at the time) Panic or ignorance or not, if that THEN NASCAR drug testing doctor messed with the urine sample to get Richmond out, that's digusting.<br /><br />I remember hearing it was Sudafed but I did not know the sample was messed with in lab.<br /><br />I am beginning to feel bad for jumping to (what I thought) were logical conclusions that JM was/is guilty.<br /><br />Then again, I know the smoothness that a true addict in denial can have, looking you in the eye with great false sincerity and lying.<br /><br />I don't know whether to be flummoxed or more cynical.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30154959123229434382009-07-23T13:31:29.106-04:002009-07-23T13:31:29.106-04:00Little late to the party here but Marty was talkin...Little late to the party here but Marty was talking about where to send the B sample, Aegis is not an option because it needs to be a different lab, hence the 3 Marty listed. It's my understanding the JM's lawyer suggestions did not include these higher functioning labs.<br /><br />I will say that I was a little torn with the Joe Gibbs appearance on NN, did not see OTL. He was there to sell a book, kind of like RC and Cheerios. I didn't however expect him to throw Kyle under the bus which if you think about it he sort of did by saying Joey hasn't won enough to become a Jerk as it Kyle has and is.Newracefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324764517098771035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-59691963954293506802009-07-23T13:30:21.490-04:002009-07-23T13:30:21.490-04:00Read this article
http://www.frontstretch.com/tbow...Read this article<br />http://www.frontstretch.com/tbowles/26138/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-91889476773803341972009-07-23T12:37:51.249-04:002009-07-23T12:37:51.249-04:00Why oh why can't ESPN or someone get info rega...Why oh why can't ESPN or someone get info regarding the drug testing policies. <br /><br />Forget Jeremy Mayfield for the moment. Just give us facts about testing. What distinguishes one lab from another? Are there truly only so many companies that can test to a more accurate level than others? Who do other sports use and how to they compare to Aegis? <br /><br />I went to the Aegis site. They say they offer "Zero Tolerance" testing and offer the highest level of detection. Is this true? The company is not a Mom & Pop organization. Major credentials and customers. Which companies are their competitors?<br /><br />Although scientific, this isn't rocket science. Someone should be able to put together an informational piece that can lay out the facts about the business of drug testing.<br /><br />OT...does anyone know when the next court date is since NASCAR has asked that the reinstatement be withdrawn? Or are they wating for independent drug test on the B sample?West Coast Dianenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-19847079706668604212009-07-23T11:32:16.623-04:002009-07-23T11:32:16.623-04:00Great to have one of nas$car's honchos hold th...Great to have one of nas$car's honchos hold the company line. There is nothing nas$car has done in the last few years that make me trust anything they say. And Gibbs is just a mouthpiece in this situation. nas$car is a dictatorship, a plain fact. Anybody who stands up to them will get the boot heel treatment. They lied about Richmond's drug test 20 years ago, so anything that comes out of their proverbial mouths is to be taken with skeptisism. Even if Mayfield wins, he loses. HE WILL NEVER RACE AGAIN. As far as the boot heel treatment, just ask Carl Long. The pretty boy, vanilla drivers have nothing to worry about. This could never happen to them. Mayfield's biggest crime is that he stood up to nas$car. If he had just went along with the program and did his time, we wouldn't be having this discussion. One idiom you can throw out the window. In America we are innocent until proven guilty.midasmicahnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-8499978571827703772009-07-23T11:31:47.741-04:002009-07-23T11:31:47.741-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.BAMA23SMOKE20https://www.blogger.com/profile/06632403374945011954noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-54891620976090746902009-07-23T11:30:42.581-04:002009-07-23T11:30:42.581-04:00Gibbs said "What we have in NASCAR is a spons...Gibbs said "What we have in NASCAR is a sponsorship side to it. When a driver signs-on to race for a race team, he is saying that he is going to be a corporate representative. " Every time driver 18 walks away from the racetrack in a snit Gibbs should be taking him to the woodshed or beating him about the head and neck with his bible.<br /><br />Gibbs says one thing and does another. You cannot claim moral high ground once you've surrendered it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-86749186504804162352009-07-23T11:19:47.496-04:002009-07-23T11:19:47.496-04:0050 year fan
"Kryle" LOL...love it..I ha...50 year fan<br /><br />"Kryle" LOL...love it..I hadn't seen that one..or hadn't remembered it.<br /><br />Glad others were as put off as I was on the whole gibbs organization. I caught the reference to Joey not winning enough to be a jerk yet but after that words of praise continued. Not even a HINT KY needs to be a little more gracious as a loser. <br /><br />You don't have to like it but own up that you do not always get your way.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-21300892491074114452009-07-23T09:55:54.208-04:002009-07-23T09:55:54.208-04:00Well said Michigan Fan. I am glad that someone put...Well said Michigan Fan. I am glad that someone put into words what I have been thinking for a long time, only more succinct and clear.<br /><br />Joe and JD present themselves as bastions of honesty and ethics. Yet, their actions following Kyle's smashing of the guitar in Nashville showed their true colors. I am so disappointed in them and the values they represent. I won't go so far as calling them hypocrites, but it's clear that their ethics and (dare I say) their Christianity could easily be called into question. <br /><br />Look, I like to win just as much as anyone, but to allow the kind of behavior they allow in the name of victory is just disheartening. Joe presents himself as some great mentor, yet he can't even get Kyle to get in an ambulance following a crash that Kyle would have created given the opportunity.<br /><br />Personally, I think Rick Hendrick has far more class, dignity, and credentials than Joe Gibbs, and until Joe addresses his "Shrub" issue, he has no credibility to be writing books on the subject of winning with class.Greghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14320707419553788752noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-21355410494568395192009-07-23T09:10:30.680-04:002009-07-23T09:10:30.680-04:00I thought the inference to Joey
not winning enough...I thought the inference to Joey<br />not winning enough yet to be a <br />jerk was directed at Kyle. If the<br />shoe fits....<br />I lost respect for J.D. last year<br />when he made the reference "what<br />goes around, comes around" after<br />Kryle/Carl incident and the way<br />Kryle had booted other drivers.50 yr. fannoreply@blogger.com