tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post3653203203907675389..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: TV Police: NASCAR On FOX From Charlotte Motor SpeedwayDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67165978493254801682011-05-31T21:44:47.523-04:002011-05-31T21:44:47.523-04:00Always have loved Larry Mac on TV. NASCAR Performa...Always have loved Larry Mac on TV. NASCAR Performance, both TV and radio are excellent. Can't wait to see him back with TNT, out from under DW's shadow. He seems to have much more freedom with that group.Ian Snoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-66533413279023408302011-05-31T21:12:14.061-04:002011-05-31T21:12:14.061-04:00The DW cheerleading is so tired. If he could stil...The DW cheerleading is so tired. If he could still stay objective with his broadcasting, you could almost handle it.. But he's clearly can't and proves it time and time again. The earlier comment about DW describing the Ky. Busch spin is the prime example. Call it as you see it, not as you want to keep from hurting the feelings of the ones you're clearly rooting for. I hope Nascar and their partners are happy with the product, but they're going to be the only ones watching it before too long.RWar24https://www.blogger.com/profile/14350150050412689611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-12453803686869132762011-05-31T14:17:05.543-04:002011-05-31T14:17:05.543-04:00it was a long race..but exciting at the end and fo...it was a long race..but exciting at the end and fox covered it well..the prerace show was patriotic for the weekend..chris myers always brings a bigtime feel to the broadcast...mike joy is so boring ... the fox slomo replays are special to watch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20381154036996766712011-05-31T11:18:34.222-04:002011-05-31T11:18:34.222-04:00A fine job by Fox on a race that can be a chore to...A fine job by Fox on a race that can be a chore to watch due its length. I (sorry guys) enjoy DW, and they seemed to keep Chris Meyers to a minimum. I wish they had mixed the pit reporters in more on the last 100 miles to update the gas situation on everyone.<br />I cannot keep track of those Indy cars from anything but a close up shot. They all look alike from afar.<br /><br />(How about using Facebook log-ins for identity's here?)Michael Stoffelnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-52466335265048611472011-05-31T08:58:18.017-04:002011-05-31T08:58:18.017-04:00Anybody else notice how Mike Joy kept saying "...Anybody else notice how Mike Joy kept saying "in it to win it"? He's been watching too much American Idol. That's the saying Randy Jackson wore slap out this year.bobbydjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00445262907429460664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-60559642134298160882011-05-30T22:20:08.866-04:002011-05-30T22:20:08.866-04:00""F1 - I'm still unable to tell who&...""F1 - I'm still unable to tell who's driving each car. The ticket identifies driver and position, but there's not way for the casual F1 viewer to link the driver to the car. No number, no color scheme; just the assumption one is familiar enough with the series to already know who is who. I assume Speed is commentating over an F1-provided feed, but it's a very arrogant approach on someone's part.""<br /><br /><br />Remember, F1 is FAR SUPERIOR to all other forms of racing (just ask the car forums). You must follow along on your own all week and come prepared to watch the race. There are no "casual viewers". :) :)<br /><br />Grand Am could do a little better to show the driver *teams* for those casually watching it. When so and so is out of the car, show those that are also drivers on the car. It's sometimes hard to keep up if you're only casually paying attention. It'd be easy to do: Dixon/ROJAS. Caps are who's in the car.<br /><br />Someone mentioned if a NASCAR race is going to be a fuel race, throw up some graphics about who last fueled. I re-watched the end of the Cup race, they barely mentioned Hamlin until after Harvick finished. It all happened quick and they were unprepared (while planning the Junior victory party).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-7118796471634607592011-05-30T20:56:34.154-04:002011-05-30T20:56:34.154-04:00I know this is off topic....but with next week bei...I know this is off topic....but with next week being FOX's last week any word on changes at either TNT or ESPN for the cup races? <br /><br />Im pretty positive ESPN will be rolling out a new graphics package for the sprint cup races (Judgeing by the Indy 500 graphics....and test video for NASCAR Non-Stop).<br /><br />Havent heard much from TNT though?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-43143284720066026872011-05-30T20:37:30.259-04:002011-05-30T20:37:30.259-04:00Biffle had problems with his cool box. Fox played ...Biffle had problems with his cool box. Fox played in car audio of a frustrated overheated Biffle. Fox had in car thermometers showing temps of 130 degrees plus. Fox explained how a cool box worked and that the pit crew was gonna replace it. Not an easy task. Fox covered Biff's problem in depth. So every time there was a caution why didn't Fox show Biffle's stop and and cover his crew trying to fix the problem?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-9695419174591211182011-05-30T19:19:27.089-04:002011-05-30T19:19:27.089-04:00One final comment and I'll shut up. I've ...One final comment and I'll shut up. I've finally figured out how Fox chooses it's camera angles.<br /><br />It prefers those shots that look dramatic. The problem, as we all know, is that those shots just don't utilize the medium effectively to tell the story. I sometimes wonder if whoever positioned the cameras came from a music video background, or watched too many 'Fast and Furious' sequels. You can't tell much of a story when the cameras aren't properly positioned (what race fan would stare across the S/F line except on the last lap? who would watch a race from ground level inside a turn?); but you can get some very pretty ones. They'd make great stills for a print publication.Palmettonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44703822423196060862011-05-30T19:01:34.036-04:002011-05-30T19:01:34.036-04:00KoHoSo, I watched all three, along with today'...KoHoSo, I watched all three, along with today's Grand Am event.<br /><br />F1 - I'm still unable to tell who's driving each car. The ticket identifies driver and position, but there's not way for the casual F1 viewer to link the driver to the car. No number, no color scheme; just the assumption one is familiar enough with the series to already know who is who. I assume Speed is commentating over an F1-provided feed, but it's a very arrogant approach on someone's part.<br /><br />Before I forget, kudos to ABC for their effective use of blimp shots on the restarts. They figured out pretty quickly that was THE camera angle for a restart style new to the event, and once they did they stuck with it effectively.<br /><br />I love watching Grand Am on the tube. Minimal pre-race garbage, fewer commercials than the more popular series, relaxed commentators who do a good job of summarizing the racing format for those who don't normally see it, and a 'Just us guys watching the race' style that (ESPN? Fox?) tried and failed to pull off a couple of times last year.Palmettonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-36194079644537437022011-05-30T18:49:41.194-04:002011-05-30T18:49:41.194-04:00This isn't related to the 600, but I watched t...This isn't related to the 600, but I watched the one-hour Indy 500 pre-race show. I saw a reasonably tight single hour that focused on the drivers and the race. ABC used only one hour to cover the 100th anniversary of this event, one of the few IRL events on broadcast TV, and did more with it than Speed / Fox did with three hours the week before for a NASCAR non-points event. The race coverage managed to track the stories highlighted in the pre-race without allowing those lines to dominate the coverage of the racing as it developed. I hope ESPN uses the same production values later in the NASCAR season.<br /><br />The 600? My wife walked through a couple of times. Both times that animated rat was on again, eliciting a, "That's annoying" comment. Both times the rat was used during replays, it managed to block a substantial portion of the view. DW was totally out to lunch several times: calling 'Dinger Ambrose, losing track or the corners, etc. I can't wait for TNT to get here.<br /><br />Boy, it was a lousy day to be leading in a National Guard-sponsored car!Palmettonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-56560365614439656742011-05-30T17:33:28.058-04:002011-05-30T17:33:28.058-04:00rc,
You are correct. If there was any conspiracy ...rc,<br /><br />You are correct. If there was any conspiracy to put Jr. in Victory Lane, they would have given him (the leader) the caution flag when he came back around after the accident<br /><br />That would have allowed him to save fuel, come around one time and win.<br /><br />I spoke to several people at the race who said all the cars drove away long before Junior came back around. <br /><br />PS - He lost!Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-2317284760298388892011-05-30T16:47:25.234-04:002011-05-30T16:47:25.234-04:00So if NASCAR wanted JR to win, why no caution afte...So if NASCAR wanted JR to win, why no caution after the white flag? That would have put the 88 in Victory lane.rcbutler56https://www.blogger.com/profile/03566459790915535109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20501858675512568622011-05-30T14:22:44.780-04:002011-05-30T14:22:44.780-04:00I hated the pre-show because there were no driver ...I hated the pre-show because there were no driver interviews!!!!!<br /><br />The knaus swearing on live tv was priceless. I guess they want the Inside NASCAR ratings. <br /><br />NASCAR totally held the yellow so jr could take the white flag. Ridiculous. These guys are not running a sport, they are putting on a show. They use the word show all the time and it's clear why: thy were trying to fix the end for a Dale jr memorial day win. <br /><br />The announcers were good but they caught most every crash before the cameras.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-51097257127604240182011-05-30T13:52:40.631-04:002011-05-30T13:52:40.631-04:00Since my frustration meter was pegged last season,...Since my frustration meter was pegged last season, I made the decision to watch all races delayed through the DVR this season.<br /><br />Fox has turned the race coverage decisions over to the Mkt/Adv dept. All camera angles have been sold before the race and must be used X number of times during the race.<br /><br />The ticker situation is a mess. It has been turned into a color swatch parade with sponsor banners taking over at regular intervals. I now call it the "tocker"<br /><br />One shot really made me laugh. The tocker was a banner for Toyota and the camera shot was the Lowe's in-car.<br /><br />I have seen all the booth folks on other shows and know they can do a good job. My opinion is that they are doing as they are told.<br /><br />I will admit that I am thinking of using FedEX/UPS to send DW a swami turban as he has been told to read all the driver's minds! :)Lisa Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17467463661032218684noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-81974298249766216222011-05-30T13:47:31.108-04:002011-05-30T13:47:31.108-04:00That was fun to watch at the end....maybe the boar...That was fun to watch at the end....maybe the board has me jaded, but I will have to agree that the inconsistency of the cautions was really surprising, especially at teh end. <br /><br />Wasn't there a caution for a beer can at one point? They mentioned it I think. At one earlier point, I saw a blue beer car rolling down by the yellow line. Meanwhile, Indy cars were running through a PILE of trash. <br /><br />I'm a little tired of having basic automotive things explained every week. Yes, a styrofoam cup stuck to the grill will cause a problem. Everyone knows this by now.<br /><br />Agreed, in car/bumpercam shots are *useless*. The only time they are fun is if you a) don't have any other cameras, or b) are showing the 2nd place car trying to run down the 1st. Showing a 25th place car (Tonye Stewart) just to display the technology is pointless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-77691513835752320052011-05-30T13:38:59.978-04:002011-05-30T13:38:59.978-04:00My favorite moment of the race was DW calling the ...My favorite moment of the race was DW calling the Kyle Busch spin.<br /><br />"Someone's spinning! It's Kyle Busch! He had help!"<br /><br />Cut to mandatory Fox replay. Nobody is anywhere near Kyle Busch when he spins out.<br /><br /><br />My only complaint about Fox camera selection is that they don't use really good closeup shots. I can barely see the contingency sponsor decals on the front fenders. Fox needs to use closeup hi-def shots to show these decals in detail. Fox isn't showing the race, so they might as well give the contingency sponsors some exposure. They could probably generate a new revenue stream from this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-18008645619844713402011-05-30T12:46:10.750-04:002011-05-30T12:46:10.750-04:00Why cnan't Fox understand that what makes the ...Why cnan't Fox understand that what makes the 'drama' in racing is seeing cars in relation to one another? Watching a car closing in on the car ahead...NOT from a bumper cam, which tells us nothing. <br />Seeing someone getting set up for a pass can't be effective from an in car camera. Tight shots just don't engage the audience. Too bad they never informed us of who was waiting to pounce when cars started running out of gas...that would have been dramatic!<br /><br />I won't fault Nascar for not throwing the caution (I know, someone circle this date). If they had truly wanted Jr. to win, they could have thrown the caution after he took the white flag and frozen the field, slowed down the cars and Jr. might have made it. How often have we complained about Nascar throwing the yellow when things rapidly cleared themselves up?<br /><br />I found the race interesting in spite of the TV coverage, not because if it. Shame on Fox. Won't be sorry to see them hit the road...and maybe they can find a nice spot to leave DW.Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233133246348697023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-79267391873758850222011-05-30T12:25:06.421-04:002011-05-30T12:25:06.421-04:00JD, it seems to me the director is slow to changin...JD, it seems to me the director is slow to changing to the shots rather than Joy being ahead of the action. If Joy was ahead of the cameras, they'd have no shot at all of one of those far away, can barely see what happened angles. Fox has always been slow in catching the accidents live. It's been that way for 10 years.<br /><br />The Coke 600 has one of the best pre-race shows in NASCAR. Fox does an outstanding job in catching everything, complete with the emotion around the ceremony.<br /><br />I found Michael Waltrip's appearance odd because I didn't know if he was selling a book or auditioning for a spot on next year's telecast on Fox instead of SPEED.<br /><br />Larry Mac did seem to be back to his old self. I don't know if MW's appearance last week in his place woke him up or the powers at Fox decided to turn him loose.<br /><br />Despite it being a long race where action gets strung out, I thought they did one of their best jobs of the season.MRM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/04045747192945960087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-34446575882486341172011-05-30T12:24:32.216-04:002011-05-30T12:24:32.216-04:00JD, maybe Fox needs the NCIS team in the booth ins...JD, maybe Fox needs the NCIS team in the booth instead of the regular Fox crew I would really enjoy that. I also noticed the side by side commercial and them showing only one car during it - big deal! Like you I couldn't even tell what place on the track they were. I also thought Mike Joy picked up the pace during this broadcast and several times I heard DW mention certain cars so I could tell he was actually looking out the window instead of a monitor in the booth. This was a very long race I'm surprised DW didn't slow down a bit at the end since he was probably really tired for someone his age!Vicky Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13084198036514255332noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-924300984281895342011-05-30T12:08:16.713-04:002011-05-30T12:08:16.713-04:00my favorite current TV "cop", Gibbs coul...my favorite current TV "cop", Gibbs could cut right through all the "crap" that Fox continues to hand the fans.<br /><br />I'm glad the prerace focused on the armed forces since that is the reason the holiday takes place, but I didn't tune in until around 6pm and even that was almost too much for me.<br /><br />Fox did a better job at least some of the time providing longer camera shots, the one that sticks in my mind though was so far away that you could just about make out the cars on the track, so that was pretty useless other than being a pretty shot. however we still spent too much time watching the race through a variety of in car cameras. yep, that's the front bumper or the side of some car -- can I see the action with perspective please? I missed the side by side commercial this week. <br /><br />I have the TV on with the sound muted during most of the race and since Fox wants to show me the race via replay that's how I treat it since I get most of my real time information via trackpass and twitter.<br /><br />I watched a lot of General Hospital during the commercials. I know they need to pay the bills but when the commercials continue to overwhelm the racing and includes long intros for other products overlaying the green flag laps, then I tune out. I came back with 40 laps to go to see the end of the race.<br /><br />it's a shame that no one in the booth seemed to know how to setup the fuel strategy. I knew my favorite was short because I was using trackpass. Unfortunately, the 48 blew up and that ruined the race for me.<br /><br />It was stupid of Fox to use a live radio feed when it would seem obvious to any one who listens to the scanner that any comment from Knaus would not be G rated. <br /><br />I was glad that Nascar's blatant attempt to ensure a feel good win for Jr by not throwing the caution at the end failed. Cars were wrecking all over the place - we could see it on the screen - I don't take the sanctioning body seriously at all at this point. He seems like a decent guy and I know he's got a lot of fans but geez, that was just over the top for me.GinaV24https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828669350024430018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-77050334152814708332011-05-30T10:48:21.202-04:002011-05-30T10:48:21.202-04:00The race had a lot of potential to be exciting and...The race had a lot of potential to be exciting and then DW opened his mouth and it went downhill from there.<br /><br />NASCAR's consistent inconsistency with their rules took away from the race as did the mystery debris manipulations. Fox's poor commentary and camera work pretty much sunk it. With the last split screen ad, they really screwed up by keeping the camera on Biffle the entire time rather than showing us what else was going on.If this is how they plan on continuing with their split screen operation then it's as bad as not having it.<br /><br />TNT can't get here soon enough.The Mad Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20147655980048507822011-05-30T10:44:11.956-04:002011-05-30T10:44:11.956-04:00Nascar so wanted Jr to win that they did not call ...Nascar so wanted Jr to win that they did not call a caution at the end when clearly there should have been one.<br />I wonder if there will be any fines for the f bomb being dropped by Chad Knaus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-58738407828334769812011-05-30T10:32:05.375-04:002011-05-30T10:32:05.375-04:00KY1WING, I remember when they did precisely that. ...KY1WING, I remember when they did precisely that. I think it was probably CBS, but I'm not sure of the network. Anyway, they posted a graphic of the leaders and showed exactly how many laps ago each car pitted for fuel. They even had neat little graphics of fuel guages.Jayhawkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00756807802218022043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-33394819108011287972011-05-30T08:49:57.117-04:002011-05-30T08:49:57.117-04:00The end of the race certainly had its surprises, b...The end of the race certainly had its surprises, but I totally lost interest by the 400 mile mark. 600 miles is just insane to expect people to stay with the entire race. So many things happen that by the end, pure luck often determines who wins. I mean, other then Delana, did anyone really believe Harvick would win before the race started? Before the race, the 'experts' were engraving Carl Edwards name on the trophy. After the first run, he faded back. Nascar won't do it, but the cautions continue to look contrived. It's not at all clear to me why the caution flag is displayed or not. Nascar could communicate better with the booth on cautions, but that will never happen. On a super long race, I wish the booth would pace themselves and pick and choose where to build drama. As usual, they feel they have to talk non stop and they assume that we really care what their opinions are. All in all, it was vintage Fox coverage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com