tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post3801530078067103863..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: "NASCAR Now" Wrestles With Roush Fenway Racing And RealityDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-11922207923482370562008-03-09T22:14:00.000-04:002008-03-09T22:14:00.000-04:00--As he so often is when alone and unsupported by ...--As he so often is when alone and unsupported by Allen Bestwick, Daugherty was useless.--<BR/><BR/>--Let's get something straight, I did not call Daugherty "useless." Read my column again.--<BR/><BR/>I did and you called him useless. See what you said in the first paragraph here. How did you not see what you wrote and deny you wrote it when it's a scroll up the page.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30309284626042288912008-03-09T11:29:00.000-04:002008-03-09T11:29:00.000-04:00There is a new post up about the Sunday morning on...There is a new post up about the Sunday morning one hour version of NASCAR Now.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-45006967646372900922008-03-09T10:27:00.000-04:002008-03-09T10:27:00.000-04:00Let's get something straight, I did not call Daugh...Let's get something straight, I did not call Daugherty "useless." Read my column again.<BR/><BR/>Each analyst or commentator works best in a certain environment. When Daugherty is alongside of Allen Bestwick to steer the conversation and set the parameters, he is fine.<BR/><BR/>When he is alone, on a liveshot, on NASCAR Now, he is useless. The reason is exactly the one you see when he is on NASCAR Countdown. Daugherty needs a conversation to contribute. Even when he was turned loose to do a feature on Petty Racing, because he was having a conversation with the King, it was fine.<BR/><BR/>Alone with an anchor in a studio far away reading questions from a script, what does Daugherty bring to the table? The answer is very little. His perspective and experience works in the roundtable or in the Infield Pit Studio, but certainly not alone.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-87999064162814192192008-03-09T08:15:00.000-04:002008-03-09T08:15:00.000-04:00I don't like the idea of asking a reporter "Do you...I don't like the idea of asking a reporter "Do you believe it?", but I would have liked to hear Nicole say "OK we have heard what RFR has said, what are other drivers/owners/crew chiefs saying about this?" This is the approach needed to be taken with a reporter. Ask people like Brad Rusty and Boris the "do you believe it? question. I am not sure you would get a good answer, but I would rather leave the reporters free to collect the news and others to comment on it.<BR/><BR/>Tom <BR/>Inverness, FLTomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04004047098122631995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-28428284385613625662008-03-09T03:32:00.000-04:002008-03-09T03:32:00.000-04:00Anonymous said... JD,I disagree with you calling B...Anonymous said... <BR/>JD,<BR/><BR/>I disagree with you calling BD completely useless, maybe in that situation, but he does an awesome job. He was one of the few that didnt annoy the heck out of me last year and I think he has gotten better this year.<BR/><BR/>March 8, 2008 11:06 PM<BR/><BR/>Specifically what does BD do an awesome job doing? <BR/><BR/>By his own admission, he owes his job to Nascar/France, and his goal is to promote diversity.<BR/> Nascar.com: Hoop star Daugherty joins ESPN/ABC team - Oct 13, 2006<BR/><BR/>The job with ESPN will build on Daugherty's long-running efforts to increase minority participation in one of the least diverse of the major sports.<BR/><BR/>"This is huge," he told The Citizen-Times in a story published Thursday. "It's unprecedented to have a full-time African-American covering NASCAR, and I'm excited about the opportunity." He and NASCAR chief executive Brian France co-founded NASCAR's Diversity Council several years ago.<BR/><BR/>"Brian said to me that the cultural impact of this is huge, and I think that's what intrigued me the most," Daugherty said. "I thought that if I don't step up and take this opportunity, who will? It probably wouldn't be another African-American. So I felt some responsibility as well as being a big racing fan who loves the sport."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-47595598899003031432008-03-08T23:06:00.000-05:002008-03-08T23:06:00.000-05:00JD,I disagree with you calling BD completely usele...JD,<BR/><BR/>I disagree with you calling BD completely useless, maybe in that situation, but he does an awesome job. He was one of the few that didnt annoy the heck out of me last year and I think he has gotten better this year.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44692538700373076132008-03-08T22:33:00.000-05:002008-03-08T22:33:00.000-05:00When does McMann and the midget appear?When does McMann and the midget appear?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-27594045685025741092008-03-08T21:46:00.000-05:002008-03-08T21:46:00.000-05:00NASC Perf was good about the oil lid issue. Larry ...NASC Perf was good about the oil lid issue. Larry mac was quick to say HE WASN'T JUDGING INTENT but Chad and Bootie seemed to believe there was intent and it made a substantial diff on downforce.<BR/><BR/>Wish Rusty could've been there. :-)Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-11221252506054883862008-03-08T21:08:00.000-05:002008-03-08T21:08:00.000-05:00NASCAR Performance is on SPEED now. Chad gave a gr...NASCAR Performance is on SPEED now. Chad gave a great explanation of how the cover being off provides more downforce to the car. Bootie expounded on it and was candid enough to give his opinion on that he didn't think it was accidential. Will be interesting to watch Trading Paint and see what they say on there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-63701159505665242722008-03-08T19:31:00.000-05:002008-03-08T19:31:00.000-05:00It's no big secret that every car on the track is ...It's no big secret that every car on the track is cheated up. It's just when and if they are caught. <BR/><BR/>Asking Daughtery his opinion regarding a Nascar issue is an exercise in futility. #1 the guy doesn't know jack and #2 the guy is never, ever, going to go against Nascar. Plus, I thought his role was to be the average fan or some such nonsense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-16998476722624060172008-03-08T19:21:00.000-05:002008-03-08T19:21:00.000-05:00She didn't, so a mistake was made and she should b...She didn't, so a mistake was made and she should be called on it. No need to compound the mistake and make it 100 times worse by having a reporter humiliate the president of Roush Fenway Racing by inferring he is a liar. (BTW, I don't like Geoff Smith.)<BR/><BR/>March 8, 2008 7:05 PM<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I think the best thing would be to handle that privately on staff (NN) and say, we blew that let's not do it again. Plus if Nicole just sprang an unexpected question saying do you think that's true to Angelique on TV without warning, that could create tension too, putting Nicole in the position of acting like she doesn't believe what Angelique is reporting. It's different if Nicole said that to Rusty or Boris or somebody because they are supposed to give their view.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-78673466437569366292008-03-08T19:10:00.001-05:002008-03-08T19:10:00.001-05:00I agree that asking Angelique her opinion might no...I agree that asking Angelique her opinion might not be the way to go but how about What are some of the other teams saying would prob have provided a different perspectiveNewracefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324764517098771035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-60753994987958710752008-03-08T19:10:00.000-05:002008-03-08T19:10:00.000-05:00As I recall, NASCAR's consistent policy has been t...As I recall, NASCAR's consistent policy has been that fans are going to know the winner of the race when the race is over - period, not a day or days later.<BR/><BR/>I believe Dale, Jr. would have made the Chase in 2007 if he had not had points deducted for an improper wing mount - so points can be significant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-52489137098993283642008-03-08T19:05:00.000-05:002008-03-08T19:05:00.000-05:00JD, I'm anon 3:15. While I certainly respect your ...JD, I'm anon 3:15. While I certainly respect your opinion and appreciate you explaining your thought process, I will still disagree.<BR/><BR/>If Chengelis had answered "Not a lot" to Manske's supposed question "How much of that do you think is true?" she would never get to talk to Geoff Smith or probably anyone else at Roush again. That's burning a source, plain as day.<BR/> <BR/>It doesn't matter if this was a normal circumstance or if Chengelis was wrong - as she was -in this case for not presenting interviews from other sources. I'm not trying to stick up for her. As I said in my post, she also should have recorded the smith conversation for on- air use or had a statement for on air use delivered in email rather than interpret it for Smith.<BR/><BR/>She didn't, so a mistake was made and she should be called on it. No need to compound the mistake and make it 100 times worse by having a reporter humiliate the president of Roush Fenway Racing by inferring he is a liar. (BTW, I don't like Geoff Smith.) <BR/><BR/>It's not like some scandal where a reporter reports something untruthful and that subject (like a coach) is fired and the reporter doesn't have to deal with them again. Geoff Smith wouldn't get fired if Chengelis said she didn't believe his statement. That's a small world (NASCAR), and they all have to still work together. ESPN and Chengelis have nothing to gain and everything to lose by doing something like what you suggested.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-14907226827165653212008-03-08T18:38:00.000-05:002008-03-08T18:38:00.000-05:00I sure would like to see Elliott Sadler on Tradin'...I sure would like to see Elliott Sadler on Tradin' Paint. On Nascar.com, he has some very interesting, and controversial, comments about the 99 situation. He says that he wants to see stiffer penalties like having wins taken away from cheating teams. Of course, you have to define what's cheating and what's an "oops". When you consider that Edwards won more than $425,000 for his Vegas win, and got 195 points, fining them $100K and taking away 100 points doesn't really mean diddly. I mean, look at Jimmie Johnson---they were caught cheating at Daytona and he still went on to win the championship. So, if Tradin' Paint really wants a great show, bring on both sides of the issue and them them duke it out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-5360515528018610542008-03-08T18:04:00.000-05:002008-03-08T18:04:00.000-05:00Brrrn Rubber- In my view running a scroll across t...Brrrn Rubber- In my view running a scroll across the top or bottom of the screen would be adequate - or don't use reporters or commentators where a conflict exists. I will not hold my breath until any network does either.<BR/><BR/>On CNBC when an investment analyst or manager speaks about a particular stock, at the end of the interview he or she is asked whether his firm has done any business with the corporation and whether the interviewee, his firm, his fund, or his family own any stock in the discussed corp.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-50701396589889935962008-03-08T17:58:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:58:00.000-05:00It would be like the NBA's Stu Jackson (Helton/Dar...It would be like the NBA's Stu Jackson (Helton/Darby's equivalent, who gives out NBA penalties) sitting upstairs and making the calls on the basketball court action, then deciding the penalties for the same players two days later.<BR/>--------------------------<BR/>For real! Actually the even more real comparison would be Stu running around on court refereeing the game, Stu throwing a player out of the game for two technicals, and then Stu announcing later that the player was suspended and fined for "actions detrimental to the NBA." A one stop shop!<BR/><BR/>That's NASCAR, and I agree, if they aren't going to clean up or own up to their own conflicts of interest, why should the related parties do it when they're called on to analyze the news?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-26644083370911017022008-03-08T17:42:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:42:00.000-05:00"I see no problem in using reporters or commentato..."I see no problem in using reporters or commentators who have conflicts, PROVIDED the conflict or potential conflict is disclosed so the listener, or reader, can put the comments made into context"<BR/><BR/>IMO that's pretty darn impossible the way things are now. <BR/><BR/>-Is DW going to mention his Toyota Connection every time he's on RaceDay or an actual race talking about how great the Toyotas are or how great Kyle Busch is? What about Hammond owning part or all of a race team (Trucks)?<BR/><BR/>-Is Michael's Toyota connection going to be mentioned on TWIN or a Truck Race?<BR/><BR/>-Every time Yocum or Marty Smith interviews Tony Stewart, Jimmie Johnson, or Dale Earnhardt Jr. on a controversial issue or praises them on TV, are they going to mention that they'll be recording a weekly XM/Sirius show (or something similar) with them the day or two after that week's race?<BR/><BR/>And on and on. It would take up way to much broadcast time to mention all the connections the NASCAR folks have goin' on when they are commenting or reporting on a controversy. Sad really.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-50568186401748100222008-03-08T17:26:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:26:00.000-05:00red - great comment.I agree with you that we shoul...red - great comment.<BR/><BR/>I agree with you that we should know by now exactly what the issues is with the oil lid cover, but the problem is that NASCAR was not specific. All they said was it was a violation of three rules in the mysterious NASCAR rule book.<BR/><BR/>Leaving everything open to speculation and rumor, which results in the different stories presented by the media. NASCAR is the entity that could state the exact condition of the lid and latches since they examined the car at their research facility, and they should have done that when issuing the penalty, not relied on vague rule violations.<BR/><BR/>No surprise, though - We still don't know substance what was in Michael Waltrip's car last year because NASCAR said they weren't going to tell us. Mind-boggling if you stop and think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-91351785986201217272008-03-08T17:23:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:23:00.000-05:00BTW - don't forget Tradin' Paint on SPEED tonight ...BTW - don't forget Tradin' Paint on SPEED tonight at 9:30PM. It should be interesting to see what Kyle Petty and his media guest have to say about all this stuff.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-52251227016429922312008-03-08T17:20:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:20:00.000-05:00If you eliminated all the reporters and commentato...If you eliminated all the reporters and commentators who have conflicts, then all you would have left would be those who have no idea what they are talking about- such as Erik K.<BR/><BR/>I see no problem in using reporters or commentators who have conflicts, PROVIDED the conflict or potential conflict is disclosed so the listener, or reader, can put the comments made into context-and print reporters, in my view, are the very worst for failing to disclose their conflicts.<BR/><BR/>I did not hear what Boris Said said- and I am a fan of his - but, it sounds to me that he actually sidestepped the question by instead asserting that the cover removal would have given Edwards no benefit, which I have heard others say.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-5486648351180443412008-03-08T17:02:00.000-05:002008-03-08T17:02:00.000-05:00i guess what bothers me the most is that the scien...i guess what bothers me the most is that the scientific realities of the oil tank lid situation is something that should be so clear but has now become so muddied. it's become unreasonably hard to understand what actually happened and it seems that it should be pretty easy to explain. instead, we now have people discussing the number of bolts involved, the lid being off versus partially off, the status of the right rear window latches: all of these questions should have been answered BEFORE there were any discussions about who and why. good reporting should have dug at these questions first.<BR/><BR/>once these questions are answered, then i would like to hear a serious discussion about what the impact of all that could have been. only after all of that is brought to a consensus answer should the interviews and discussions move to who and why and how and who is biased in what direction. <BR/><BR/>seems it all moved directly to the personalities and loyalties and positioning that the few facts we may actually know about what happened have been lost.<BR/>hard to be either fair or balanced when one doesn't have basic information. getting that should have been the roles of these reporters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-68577473563648755992008-03-08T16:54:00.000-05:002008-03-08T16:54:00.000-05:00I'd would have liked to see Marty in on this discu...<B>I'd would have liked to see Marty in on this discussion. I think he might have gotten us more comments from other drivers and crew chiefs. Where was he anyway??</B><BR/>Despite what some people choose to believe, Marty Smith is not the perfect NASCAR reporter and has as many conflicts or more as the rest of them. He doesn't always bring us both sides of the story (I remember the cingular thing, because I was mad that the NASCAR guy actually had the nerve to say "the fans" are tired of lawsuits so cingular should stop fighting so "the fans" would be happy. Marty read those quotes off his notepad on camera; he didn't say what he thought of that or if he thought any part of it was true. Nor was he asked if he thought it was true.<BR/><BR/>The ESPN Insider - Angelique - and the program producers made a mistake in the way they presented the information. Other insiders including Marty, have done the same on past shows and may have done it yesterday if they were there. We don't know. But this "Marty Smith would have saved the day stuff" is getting kind of tiring to read, and I <I>like</I> the guy.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-9215056368593875952008-03-08T16:38:00.000-05:002008-03-08T16:38:00.000-05:00Anon 3:15PM,I could not disagree with you more in ...Anon 3:15PM,<BR/><BR/>I could not disagree with you more in this one instance. The reason she should have been asked is because she "reported" the opinion of a senior management person at Roush as fact. She never disclaimed any of it as opinion or public relations spin.<BR/><BR/>The simple question from Manske should have been, "how much of that do you think is true?" That is the only way to cap-off a reporter who is trying to slip something by on-the-air. <BR/><BR/>That way, you could have on the record her response. If she said "not a lot" it would change everything.<BR/><BR/>I agree that under normal circumstances (which is the example my column used as normal) there is not need to ask the reporter for an opinion. <BR/><BR/>This show needed Ryan Burr, Marty Smith or an analyst no longer actively involved in the sport like Petree. <BR/><BR/>If you check courant.com for Shawn Courchesne's outstanding column, you will see the outrage and laughter from the garage about what Smith had to say, and ESPN swallowed hook, line and sinker.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-88220301658788905532008-03-08T16:32:00.000-05:002008-03-08T16:32:00.000-05:00Is there an ESPN or SPEED analyst who offers opini...Is there an ESPN or SPEED analyst who offers opinions who *doesn't* have a business and/or personal connection to the sport? If so, they are unusual. Plus some of the reporters (Marty Smith, Matt Yocum) host radio talk shows with drivers, and I know Marty has led audience Q&As for drivers at personal appearances because a friend of mine went to one(Junior). I assume they don't do those out of the goodness of their hearts and are compensated for them.<BR/><BR/>But it starts at the top - NASCAR sets the example that everyone follows. You have Mike Helton and a few NASCAR staff - not a separate set of officials who have nothing to do with running NASCAR - officiating the racing *and* assessing both in-race and post-race penalties. <BR/><BR/>It would be like the NBA's Stu Jackson (Helton/Darby's equivalent, who gives out NBA penalties) sitting upstairs and making the calls on the basketball court action, then deciding the penalties for the same players two days later.<BR/><BR/>Don't get David Poole started on that lack of separation between NASCAR and race officiating. He can entertain us with his (accurate) rants on that all day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com