tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post3972487500497663202..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: ESPN Throws Numbers At NASCAR CriticsDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-2956005795272978362010-12-09T08:46:31.272-05:002010-12-09T08:46:31.272-05:00JD,
You said, "The Chase format and poorly p...JD,<br /><br />You said, "The Chase format and poorly produced TV coverage are now the remaining cards on the table"<br /><br />Here's another card to consider that's beyond the TV issue and goes toward the overall appeal of the product to race fans in general: During the 10 weeks of the chase, while TV ratingssaw challenges, the number of times that local race track profiles viewed in RacingIn's track directory were up 250% over the same period last year.<br /><br />NASCAR is and will continue to be a powerful marketing platform... but it seems people are also finding local racing for their 'speed-fix' as well!<br /><br />I see that as INCREDIBLE for all levels of racing... without the lower levels of racing across the United States, there would be no 'ladder' to climb... and for many who race, NASCAR is the pinnacle to strive for.<br /><br />Ultimately, Fans of Fast will find great racing and it's up to the various series', sanctioners, tracks, etc... to figure out exactly how to make those fans happiest and the most excited about their product.Scotthttp://www.racingin.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-18497733087987631542010-12-09T08:37:53.241-05:002010-12-09T08:37:53.241-05:00A-hem.
Here's what I consider a valid analogy....A-hem.<br />Here's what I consider a valid analogy.<br />Many years ago The Ford Motor Company, a highly respected global brand and dominator of the US market, decided to "mess" with thier successful model, and introduced a radically different product. One that was "safer, state of the art, better looking and advanced technologically"<br />It was resoundingly rejected by Ford consumers. It was the EDSEL. Just having a big name and a slogan doesn't make a crappy product attractive. If loyal consumers don't like it, its dead.<br />So, substitue the name NASCAR for FORD and CHASE for EDSEL and you'll see what I meanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-64225795436258446452010-12-08T19:37:13.963-05:002010-12-08T19:37:13.963-05:00It's only going to get worse. nascar will not...It's only going to get worse. nascar will not acknowledge their problem - everything I've seen says they are still making their money and does brian really care about anything else? fox and espn, for whatever reason, just refuses to change their race broadcasting style. After everything that has been said on this blog for the entire year, why state again the obvious? It is only going to get worse. MCAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-36927200202344399352010-12-08T18:41:24.927-05:002010-12-08T18:41:24.927-05:00In looking at the ratings, I noticed one disturbin...In looking at the ratings, I noticed one disturbing plunge that got my attention...<br />The race at Las Vegas, normally a huge draw, lost more than four million homes between 2009 and this year's race.<br />Then I remembered a major reason why. That day, the U.S. and Canada played in the Olympic hockey gold medal game at Vancouver.<br />I'm sure that's not the only reason for the plunge, but it's definitely something worth noting.Tomnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-46778967366596876112010-12-08T16:12:07.208-05:002010-12-08T16:12:07.208-05:00I personally know a lot of people who have ditched...I personally know a lot of people who have ditched cable,and I never bought cable. I was very disappointed to see that their would be so few races available OTA.<br />It doesn't make sense that the problem with broadcast TV should come down to overlapping with other shows. Everyone is digital now even OTA. We get sub channels.If the race runs overtime switch it from 6.1 to 6.2. not a big deal unless you are DVRing the show. The broadcasters don't like DVRs anyway. True the chase format is contrived but it is the lack of availability that I'm contending with. I've got to see the races before I can worry about the chase format.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44042875920096594992010-12-08T15:57:13.443-05:002010-12-08T15:57:13.443-05:00All this is interesting though I think the ESPN re...All this is interesting though I think the ESPN release vis a vis NASCAR is a false equivalency. Both the advertising and entertainment trades have been full of cable cutter talk for awhile regarding all cable.<br /><br />And the comments today have been good, but we have been plowing this field forever it seems.<br /><br />So let us go right to it: We are a star driven society and NASCAR has no Star<br /><br />Doubt me? Call Central Casting [818.562.2700] and ask them to send you someone who looks and acts like the audience would say a champion caliber stock car racer should look and act. Dollars to donuts the person you would expect to show up at your door would look an awful lot like Dale Sr. no matter who your personal favorite active real life driver is.<br /><br />Still doubtful? OK, try this: "Gone With the Wind" starring Humphrey Bogart as Rhett Butler, or more contemporarily, "Pirates of the Carribean" starring George Clooney as Capt. Jack Sparrow.<br /><br />Or maybe as Rutledge Wood put it on a recent Top Gear, "the difference between an Aston Martin 8 cylinder and an Aston Martin 12 cylinder is the difference between Angelina Jolie and Angelina Jolie in thigh hight boots ... with a riding crop."<br /><br />Its an public imagination/image thing.<br /><br />Gosh it is cold here today.AncientRacernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-88996834079356446492010-12-08T15:50:22.555-05:002010-12-08T15:50:22.555-05:00I dvr the show and watch parts of it but use the f...I dvr the show and watch parts of it but use the fast forward button a lot.<br /><br />Kevin Harvick was my season champion although JJ was the shootout winner. There was probably a lot of action in the shows but we never got to see it or hear about it as it was a season long build up to the show they call the finale and a presentation of $$$$$$ and bows to a driver who has had it handed to him since he entered cup.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10103029938893635152010-12-08T14:40:05.186-05:002010-12-08T14:40:05.186-05:00AS I have said before on this blog, the coverage b...AS I have said before on this blog, the coverage by ESPN and others has been HORRID for all fans. The commercial breaks during live racing should not be acceptable to NASCAR. Give us some portion of the screen for live racing. We have seen the same commercials all year and have missed a great portion of the excitement on the track. <br /><br />A change would be welcome. While the network commentary for all is mediocre at best, the commercials kill the sport. Give longer commercials during caution flags and shorter commercials during live racing with some view of live racing.<br /><br />You will find your fans once again with a better product. Thank God for MRN & the other radio networks who I listen to each week along with viewing. I also attend 3-5 races per year so not watching from the sofa on all.<br /><br />DHHSouthern Conservativehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16241151457840176189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-31601063271532284412010-12-08T13:31:39.387-05:002010-12-08T13:31:39.387-05:00The spirit of competition is inherent in all human...The spirit of competition is inherent in all human beings. When<br />NA$CAR chose to take it out of our sport and turn it into entertainment the demise began. <br />The chase has made the first 26<br />races a farce. There is no real racing, only riding around to safely gain points for the "reset" or Brians "game 7". I bet the<br />Beach Bums will be complaining<br />about the competition from MLB spring training in March.51 yr. fannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-62536140257913737132010-12-08T13:29:02.746-05:002010-12-08T13:29:02.746-05:00Funny how now that the house of cards is falling,E...Funny how now that the house of cards is falling,ESPN and Nascar are pointing fingers at each other when in reality,they should easily be pointing them at themselves. Both have a dog in this fight of bad ratings. Nascar has done everything short of sending out flyers telling us longtime fans that they dont need us with all the dumbest changes ever seen to the sport (Chase,lucky dogs,top 35,labor day racing anywhere BUT Darlington,etc.). And ESPN has determined that they were going to ignore anyone not in the Chase and shove commercial breaks down our throats ad nauseam and ignoring lesser drivers even if they are leading! So now here they are blaming each other. Ultimately ESPN could leave and never look back at this mess but Nascar has serious issues. The first step to solving a problem is admitting you have 1 and it seems BZF hasnt done that yet so this long time fan will continue to ignore the sport and help contribute to the ratings and attendance decline.Piemannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-33695537422715547462010-12-08T12:45:23.984-05:002010-12-08T12:45:23.984-05:00Could someone adress the use of DVR's and its ...Could someone adress the use of DVR's and its affect on the ratings?<br /><br />Pretty Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20607578231408698452010-12-08T12:38:41.380-05:002010-12-08T12:38:41.380-05:00ESPN needs to look no further than the broadcast b...ESPN needs to look no further than the broadcast booth. I'm sick of the selfless pandering and promotion of certain products. It's a conflict of interest and grossly unprofessional.Shaynenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-54633223431921558452010-12-08T12:31:07.797-05:002010-12-08T12:31:07.797-05:00All thse comments are so weird to me. I thought l...All thse comments are so weird to me. I thought last season was one heck of a season. I have never seen drivers be so aggressive that late in the season if not ever. And by aggressive I mean pushing their cars as hard as they can every lap Even after they spin in the grass or speed on pit road. Tell you what, I really like the Chase I don't think it should ne changed at all. And guess what my driver hasn't even made it in in the last few years. Who cares?! It was still exciting races and I still really enjoyed them. I guess that just means I'm a racing fan. I'm not watching for stats or how much better it is than the NFL. It's because I LIKE to watch it. How about we tell all the bandwagoner NFL rejects to stop watching so NASCAR can stop trying to cater to them. I think the problem is you! Stop whining if you like stick and ball sports watch em. If you like NASCAR watch it. if you don't, dont! Meanwhile I will be watching the best racing in decades. Have a nice day!<br />Sorry for any typos I'm typing on my cellphoneShawn Morganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11806717856183455388noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-9372406355024423892010-12-08T12:04:54.129-05:002010-12-08T12:04:54.129-05:00to smiff 99
Eli Gold said last night on Nascar Li...to smiff 99<br /><br />Eli Gold said last night on Nascar Live that MRN Radios web site will be doing a live video stream of the Daytona testing next week.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-31849392746641224022010-12-08T12:04:38.668-05:002010-12-08T12:04:38.668-05:00As a former computer programmer I know how easy it...As a former computer programmer I know how easy it is to manipulate numbers. And being that it is ESPN that is producing these numbers, I flat don't believe their numbers at all. Of course they are going to provide numbers saying how great they are doing. The same way Nascar does with their numbers. It's all smoke and mirrors. Google Enron scandal if you want to see more info on creative accounting with the books.<br /><br />It is a fact that more people are cutting the cord every day. And others are dropping from an higher cable tier which has ESPN to a lower tier which does not. And as far as OTA viewers. It's all a guessing game. Nobody knows for sure how many people have never had cable and are viewing OTA.<br /><br />So ESPN and Nascar can throw all the figures they want at me. I don't believe them. They have a vested interest in making themselves and their numbers look good. It's about money and sponsorship. The more viewsers, the more sponsorship dollars. It's all about money and ESPN and Nascar aren't going to let the truth get in the way of that.Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530553847645526841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-41285654446492232812010-12-08T11:53:20.512-05:002010-12-08T11:53:20.512-05:00BZF, NA$CAR, and BSPN seem to be missing the obvio...BZF, NA$CAR, and BSPN seem to be missing the obvious. First is that the fans dislike the artificial excitement and hype of the play-off system. Second, they treat the fans like they're morons and talk down to them. Third, they're all out of touch with reality. And lastly, fans want to see racing, not a show about marketing, hype, shilling, cheerleading, and BS that's manipulated in the finest manner of professional wrestling to achieve those "Game 7 moments". <br /><br />Statistics can be used to prove any side of an argument, like the loop data. TV ratings on the other hand seem to be a good indicator that all is not well. The empty grandstands are also another good indicator that all is not well. Those are more tangible indicators than statistics and loop data.<br /><br />The next 2 seasons will really determine just where NA$CAR is going with the rise of IndyCar and the changes they've made to improve racing because they listened to their fans and how BZF, NA$CAR, BSPN, and Fox continue to ignore them and treat them like so much rubbish. <br /><br />So BZF, BSPN, and NA$CAR can try to act like the 800 lb gorilla they believe they are and beat their chests all they want to when in fact they're little more than a 5 lb spider monkey picking fleas and nits off of it's kin.The Mad Mannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-11365520401218888722010-12-08T11:52:54.390-05:002010-12-08T11:52:54.390-05:00Maybe nothing really is wrong, and the answer is N...Maybe nothing really is wrong, and the answer is NASCAR just isn't that popular anymore. It has gone out like a passing fad. Even with perfect TV coverage, and action on the track, the overall popularity would not reach the peak.<br /><br />This is just a sport that never will be on par with the NFL.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-12530210065009039352010-12-08T11:50:14.515-05:002010-12-08T11:50:14.515-05:00Nascar sanctioning body has took on a WWE feel mun...Nascar sanctioning body has took on a WWE feel munipulating races. drivers no longer are fan accessible like other events. in the 70's-thru early 90's events seemed more like that could be anybody next doors kid racing. now it seems like it's a rich mans prodigy racing you can't dream that you might one day be there. Earnhardt, junior johnson and the like worked hard and lived the american dream. Jimmy Johnson 5 time champ would be really special if for 2-3 years b-4 landing @ hendrick he would have start & parked or drove for MWR or RPM.r squirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16641039985694697608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-4619474731457365732010-12-08T11:38:17.799-05:002010-12-08T11:38:17.799-05:00Race-tainment, drivers no longer available to fans...Race-tainment, drivers no longer available to fans.drivers who are pc-pitchmen not good racers. nascar loosing all respect as a sanctioning body munipulating races like a WWE event.former race attender and long time x-fan, 2011 good give a crap less about.r squirehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16641039985694697608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-56473609526297055422010-12-08T10:54:54.673-05:002010-12-08T10:54:54.673-05:00The cord cutting group isn't as big as what...The cord cutting group isn't as big as what's being portrayed. There are numbers out there to back it up.<br /><br />NASCAR made a big mistake when they decided to take on the NFL head-to-head. The only thing that is going to topple the NFL is the NFL itself. With rumors of an 18-game schedule and a possible work stoppage, greed will kick their own tail. The sport is too popular for an outside force to slow it down.<br /><br />Making yet another change to the Chase is not the answer. Too much emphasis has been placed on winning a championships instead of winning races. The final 10 races on NBC and now ESPN has shown this.<br /><br />My solution all along has been to dump the Chase, shorten the season to say 30 races, and shorten the races. Sadly, NASCAR races have become too much like NBA games - go through the motions until the end when your move for victory is made. A couple of the best races I saw this year where the 100-lap CWTS races at Pocono and at Michigan. There was no riding around.<br /><br />The Chase and Jimmie Johnson winning 5 straight titles have made their championship a joke. If they go back to the old system and a driver wraps it up with a race or two left, then so be it. If the season ended late October, it wouldn't matter if it ended early.<br /><br />NASCAR needs to own up to the fact the NFL is kicking their tail and there's nothing they can do about it. If they do own up to that, then they can make sensible changes instead of trying to artificially create excitement.MRM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/04045747192945960087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-61328820543278441232010-12-08T10:44:25.964-05:002010-12-08T10:44:25.964-05:00Right or wrong it needs to be said. The driver wh...Right or wrong it needs to be said. The driver who accounts for 40% of all merchandise sales and has won 8 Consecutive Most Popular Driver Awards had nothing to race for after Richmond. I think that has more of an impact than what ESPN vs ABC does. It's sad, but it's true. All parties need him to be good as long as the popularity continues.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08408617376143040664noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-29363145308044150542010-12-08T10:30:22.364-05:002010-12-08T10:30:22.364-05:00I agree with all posted. One thing we all have in ...I agree with all posted. One thing we all have in common is King Brian will not listen to anything we have to say.R Storienoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-75870909449744137712010-12-08T10:28:38.381-05:002010-12-08T10:28:38.381-05:00Hey JD, I know it's kid of off-topic, but you&...Hey JD, I know it's kid of off-topic, but you're the only person I could think of to ask.<br /><br />Is SPEED (or anybody for that matter) offering coverage of the upcoming tire test at Daytona?Smiff_99noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-75960764773091682812010-12-08T10:03:15.575-05:002010-12-08T10:03:15.575-05:00I am a member of the Nascar Fan Council, started b...I am a member of the Nascar Fan Council, started beginning of this season.<br />Most weekends, they send you a survey asking 1-how much of each of the 2/3 races you watched. Then they ask you 2-how did the tv coverage make you feel. Then 3-how did the race make you feel. There's another one in there that is similarly ridiculous. Then there's a comment box, then you are done. I use the comment box a lot. Bottom line, BF is a self named 'marketing guru' and talks all that corporate mumbo jumbo, trying to 'create game 7 events', talks about 'product' not 'racing'. You don't create them, you put in place a system that can allow them to happen. Sometimes they will, sometimes they won't. I really think as long as he's at the helm, ratings will continue to tank and seats will remain empty.<br /><br />As for espn, it's just so fake. Marty Reid sounds so phony, I just can't take a whole race of him! Suits and ties, phony announcers, ridiculous 'sideline' reporters that know nothing about nascar. Keep it up, ratings are not done dropping.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-38772316379820805222010-12-08T09:39:34.429-05:002010-12-08T09:39:34.429-05:00It's sad that neither NASCAR nor ESPN seems in...It's sad that neither NASCAR nor ESPN seems interested in addressing the real problem. That would be the loss of interest by many race fans becasue it's the RACING and the chase that a large # of fans hate. I've seen polls that say 80% of the fans don't like the chase, but NASCAR and ESPN keep beating the same drum (or dead horse)as though the fans are still into it.<br /><br />ESPN doesn't want to give the fans a real race broadcast either and that is a major part of the problem. I tune in to see the race, not a scripted show. I can tune in to a sitcom if that's what I want.<br /><br />I have a couple of renewal forms in hand right now for tickets for OCTOBER 2011. Considering the "product" I've seen over the past 3-4 years, both in person and on TV, it makes me hesitate to renew my tickets. Quite honestly I want to know what NASCAR is going to do with the Chase garbage and the COT before I spend more $ on the racer-tainment since its no longer a sport in my opinion.GinaV24https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828669350024430018noreply@blogger.com