tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post4083765494052046976..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: NASCAR's Version Of "Meet The Press"Daly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-84945387430210358912009-07-21T22:54:51.644-04:002009-07-21T22:54:51.644-04:00Richard in NC
I think this says what I have been ...Richard in NC<br /><br />I think this says what I have been saying all along, Aegis designed, set up, manages and administers the program, NASCAR is pretty much hands off.<br /><br /><i> NASCAR will continue to work with its outside experts at AEGIS Sciences Corporation and its founder, Dr. David L. Black. AEGIS helped design and implement NASCAR's substance-abuse policy.<br /><br />"We've had a relationship with Dr. Black for the last 20 years," O'Donnell said. "AEGIS right now is the largest sports and forensic testing laboratory in the United States, so we feel like we've always been with the right group and we're going to continue that relationship moving forward."<br /><br />AEGIS personnel will administer all preseason and random substance-abuse tests, and O'Donnell said a computer-generated list would be used at "most if not all" weekends to test "from 12 to 14 people." O'Donnell said in a typical weekend, an average of two drivers per series would be tested with the balance coming from the ranks of over-the-wall crewmen and officials.</i><br /><br />http://www.nascar.com/2008/news/headlines/cup/09/20/nascar.updates.drug.policy/story_single.html#page2<br /><br />That is the link.<br /><br />I found some links today that tell you how to fool a bladder test, looks like JM studied it.<br /><br /> http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/testing/testing_info9.shtmleaglesoarsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-58505567916340763382009-07-21T20:35:40.816-04:002009-07-21T20:35:40.816-04:00It sure seems to me that monday night would have b...It sure seems to me that monday night would have been the perfect time for someone to explain how the NASCAR testing program was developed and who was involved, but it appears that no one in the media thought (or wanted) to ask Brian France a couple of weeks ago when he appeared before the press and talked about the situation at length.<br /><br />I thought the most pertinent comment was Ryan McGee's observation that NASCAR, the teams, and the media were all naive and unprepared for a situation like JM's. I continue to be very disappointed by the apparent lack of effort and depth in the media's handling of the matter.<br /><br />I'm still trying to figure out Jenna's rational for questioning whether NASCAR still needs to be going to Indy.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-22080406088329611212009-07-21T19:45:42.676-04:002009-07-21T19:45:42.676-04:00Jack in Chicago said... "Didn't Ryan McGe...Jack in Chicago said... <i>"Didn't Ryan McGee break the Aaron Fike story and reveal that the un-ID'ed drug that Mayfield tested positive for was methamphetamine?</i><br /><br />Why yes he did, but the Fike story is old news and gee how about a follow-up to that breaking news?<br /><br />You know like when and if the two sources he used on the Meth story will be brought up on charges for breaking the judge's gag order.<br /><br /><i>"And it was Nate Ryan who got Mayfield on the Sirius radio just a few minutes after the latest test results were announced last week...</i><br /><br />Sure was, and Nate let him ramble on about "spiked" samples and accusing Lisa Mayfield of murder and didn't make the slightest effort at asking for any proof Mayfield had for wild and unsubstantiated accusations.<br /><br />In short, he didn't do his friggin J.O.B.marchttp://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67124419578067592842009-07-21T18:11:31.409-04:002009-07-21T18:11:31.409-04:00Jack in Chicago:
I stand corrected on Mc Gee'...Jack in Chicago:<br /><br />I stand corrected on Mc Gee's breaking of the Fike and JM meth stories. I try to keep up by perusing the Jayski articles page, where I first became aware of the Daly Planet last year. Prior to that my info mostly came from people like Ed Hinton, Mike Mulherne Marty Smith and David Poole (I absolutely LOVED Lug Nuts too!), but lately it seems to me that everyone wants to stay out of lawsuit trouble.<br /><br />But Sirius radio? Sorry, that's less than 10 million paid subscribers; and I'm not one of them.<br /><br />Anon 3:15: Technically, meth is not a "narcotic"- it is a central nervous system stimulant. And as for it being banned by major sports: it is most widely banned as a PERFORMANCE ENHANCING substance, not because it's "unsafe".Dannyboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-77977850990319312772009-07-21T15:15:42.023-04:002009-07-21T15:15:42.023-04:00Anyone old enough to remember when guys like Richm...<i> Anyone old enough to remember when guys like Richmond and McDuffie were driving with colossal hangovers?<br /> Seems a tad hypocritical to me as far as NASCAR banishing him</i><br /><br />Hmmn, in one case you have guys have legal drinks well before a race and feeling the after-effects.<br /><br />In the other case you have an alleged user of hardcore illegal narcotics, possibly using them in conjunction with being behind the wheel.<br /><br />Yeah, same thing. ::rolls eyes::Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-83054521986570119872009-07-21T14:01:35.907-04:002009-07-21T14:01:35.907-04:00I think Mike did an excellent job, I usually prefe...I think Mike did an excellent job, I usually prefer AB on Mondays but Mike worked very well for this format. I was disappointed that all those questions we posted here were never addressed in the JM fiasco. I am fairly certain I know more than they do at this point. I was left wondering if ESPN had this show planned for a long time and the JM mess changed everything. I enjoyed the old Indy footage but am very much afraid we will see it again during practice, qualifying or perhaps the race itself. While it did belong on NN at one point it should have been bumped to the pre-race show when the s...t hit the fan. <br />Jenna cracks me up with some of her ideas but she always makes me think and isn't that really the point. <br />This is a fun type of show and should be done more often just decrease the volume of video clips, we don't need them allNewracefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324764517098771035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-35054742568545956892009-07-21T13:15:19.197-04:002009-07-21T13:15:19.197-04:00I though the show was great and I am totally shock...I though the show was great and I am totally shocked to read the comments that no NASCAR writers are doing investigative work. Didn't Ryan McGee break the Aaron Fike story and reveal that the un-ID'ed drug that Mayfield tested positive for was methamphetamine? And it was Nate Ryan who got Mayfield on the Sirius radio just a few minutes after the latest test results were announced last week...and Fryer who broke that story. I'm not sure what else people could want.<br /><br />I came away from last night wondering why McGee isn't on the panel more. That last bit about Herschel McGriff and Tom Watson was priceless.Jack in Chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-38588063940887041292009-07-21T12:45:28.479-04:002009-07-21T12:45:28.479-04:00Anyone old enough to remember when guys like Richm...Anyone old enough to remember when guys like Richmond and McDuffie were driving with colossal hangovers?<br />Seems a tad hypocritical to me as far as NASCAR banishing himAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67551418231653095652009-07-21T11:44:24.423-04:002009-07-21T11:44:24.423-04:00MASCAR's version of Meet The Press? Hardly. ...MASCAR's version of Meet The Press? Hardly. Until the day comes that strong journalists are allowed to follow a story where it leads, that's not happening.<br /><br />Massaro does a fine job. But he is no David Gregory, and is far from Tim Russert. Currently, there is nobody of their standing covering NASCAR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-4346121354942337952009-07-21T11:38:41.051-04:002009-07-21T11:38:41.051-04:00I have known people who have been on meth and It t...<i>I have known people who have been on meth and It takes them down quickly..From what I can see in Interviews of JM he does not seem to show the signs of a constant meth user..In most cases Its pretty obvious!His step mother claims him to be a long time user..!A long time user would be showing signs big time!</i><br /><br />Myths, myths, myths.<br /><br />Don't substitute your anecdotal evidence for the truth -- there are many, many meth addicts who use and function just fine. Not all chronic meth-heads fit the media stereotype of a toothless, homeless destitute.<br /><br />This is one of the most ridiculous pieces of evidence that is constantly offered up in favor of Mayfield. I guess it's to be expected - after any murder, there isn't a news story printed where the neighbors don't feel compelled to tell the media that the accused "didn't seem like the kinda of guy who could shoot up a day care center." Go figure.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-7522797421068923472009-07-21T11:27:36.154-04:002009-07-21T11:27:36.154-04:00Mike is much better at this than hosting an entire...Mike is much better at this than hosting an entire show almost by himself. I don't know what role they will have for him next year. He does not need to be an on-site reporter. Marty should have all the bases covered on that one. He does not need to be a pit reporter. I wonder if they will let Nicole do that next year. I wonder if they would let him host this show more and let Allen host the on-site pit studio. It will be interesting to see what decisions they make for next year, which is really not that far away.Nathan Bricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829911459870773896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-2977803934563036182009-07-21T09:46:43.602-04:002009-07-21T09:46:43.602-04:00Sorry this should read;
JM won’t let his tests b...Sorry this should read;<br /><br /><b> JM won’t let his tests be tested by any lab that is affiliated to Aegis, some they have turned down have no REAL affiliation, they are just capable of performing the complete and thorough tests needed. </b>eaglesoarsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-63130604819925064252009-07-21T09:39:10.861-04:002009-07-21T09:39:10.861-04:00You know I’m really glad this was brought up;
Jen...You know I’m really glad this was brought up;<br /><i> Jenna Fryer said the courts had failed in this case because they allowed someone with a positive test for meth to be put back on the track. The court ruled that the NASCAR system was flawed, not that Mayfield was innocent.<br /><br />It put a potential addict back on the track, that was her point.</i><br /><br /><br />I have wondered ever since the hearing exactly how this happened and have given a lot of thought to it. This is just my opinion and I am not a lawyer but I feel the Judge was far to preoccupied with the funeral service he was going to, then had just attended to really grasp what the REAL issue was in this case. It appears for whatever reason the issue he focused in on was the money. DW was right on because all other issue have taken a back seat because JM’s attorneys have chosen to do the smoke screen to hide everything else. With the limited time that was allowed there was no time for expert witnesses to refute the claim that the numbers were to high and show that they were consistent with long time users. Because that statement was allowed to stand without expert testimony to support or the opportunity to refute Judge Mullen chose to take the quick easy road ad assume the system could be flawed. That’s fair, it is possible but I guess he forgot that if that was possible it was also equally possible that it was not and was correct. That would have still been okay if he had actually considered what should have been the real issue and that is WHY and from WHAT JM was suspended from should have been the safety of all other competitors, crew members, officials and fans IF it was correct. As this was a hearing to determine if the suspension should be lifted or upheld and NOT a hearing to determine if the system was flawed or not I for the life of me can not understand why he chose to make his ruling based on who would lose the most financially “IF” the system were flawed OVER the safety of 1000’s if the system was not flawed? <br />Had he not been preoccupied and just wanted out quickly, knowing what the case coming in was about should have preplanned. As a Federal Judge he could, and should have looked up and had a Federally approved lab send personal for a collection for a random test immediately as court came into session. Then told both parties that because It was his courts responsibility to determine if the suspension should be lifted and it seemed the contention was “IF” the test was accurate that he had to lean to the safety so when he received the results from the federal lab he would base the injunction on those results. <br />I get real tired of hearing everyone saying “he has his rights.” I agree he does all the way up until he tries to impose his rights over everyone else’s. To make his rights more important than the guy that’s racing next to him that has the right to expect to race a drug free driver. Another 4 or 5 days to run a test by an approved lab is a very small price to pay to the permanent result of death “IF” he was stoned and killed someone.<br />JM won’t let his tests be tested by any lab that is affiliated, fun many they have turned down has no REAL affiliation, they are just capable of performing the complete and thorough tests needed. <br />JM’s original claims were they did not follow Federal guide lines, yet he’s insisting to use NON accredited, NON Federally approved labs. ???? <br />The fact is if you took the word “NASCAR” out of there and looked at the highly accredited, highly reputable Laboratory, looked at their 20 year track record, lists of how many athletes they’ve helped clear, This would be a non topic, period.eaglesoarsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6585142520795029292009-07-21T02:54:48.294-04:002009-07-21T02:54:48.294-04:00Mr. Daly:
Not terribly on the current subject, bu...Mr. Daly:<br /> Not terribly on the current subject, but in response to your comment at 8:37pm.<br />The Court did not rule that NASCAR's drug testing procedures were flawed, but rather that NASCAR had not, in its filing of response to Mayfield's original lawsuit, demonstrated a sufficient problem existed for the suspension to have been executed per the drug policy and the NASCAR rule book.<br />Unfortunately, not all filings are readily available online to the general public for this case. Accordingly, most everyone can only see selected filings and not the complete docket in this case.<br />NASCAR's original response(to the case filed in NC court)was short and was lacking in detail. The subsequent filing by NASCAR seeking to overturn Judge Mullen's injunction was highly detailed. Had they done this detail in the inital filing, possibly Mullen's injunction would not have happened.<br /><br />It's dangerous not to be able to see ALL of the filings in a case like this to come to an understanding of the forces and the arguments lining up before the commencement of actual courtroom proceedings.<br /><br />Right now, Mayfield is on a media blitz(right or wrong)to butress his side, but I feel his some of his statements could only solidify the other side from reaching any type of settlement.<br /><br />NOTE: I used the PACER system of US Court system to access all of the filings - it's only available to registered users.<br /><br />PS: it's nice to be posting again...too long of an absense.<br /><br />thanks, Mr. Daly and congrats on your selection!tom in daytonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00114092644890003246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-31895106000068162082009-07-21T02:44:11.897-04:002009-07-21T02:44:11.897-04:00Let's see:
Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto... ummm...Let's see:<br /><br />Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto... ummmm....ditto and ahhh, ditto!<br /><br />There! Now I've put in my two cents. I agree with almost every comment, and further add that SPEED also uses loud music under all video, and it plays havoc with intelligibility.<br /><br />The NASCAR media have completely forgotten (if they ever knew) how to obtain and present inside information. The lack of true investigative reporting (or even a decent "newsmagazine" style show a-la 60 minutes or 20/20) means what we get are press releases and news bites. Not the way to get me to keep tuning in...Dannyboynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6689686725956462782009-07-21T02:05:36.470-04:002009-07-21T02:05:36.470-04:00Great show but!When It comes to JM,I have known pe...Great show but!When It comes to JM,I have known people who have been on meth and It takes them down quickly..From what I can see in Interviews of JM he does not seem to show the signs of a constant meth user..In most cases Its pretty obvious!His step mother claims him to be a long time user..I think the media are doing the best they can on this subject but!A long time user would be showing signs big time!I dont see that with JM!!What is going on here JD!!Lesleynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30499448925415991652009-07-21T00:03:42.446-04:002009-07-21T00:03:42.446-04:00Hated the taped segments. Hated them. Why assemble...Hated the taped segments. Hated them. Why assemble a special round table if you are going to make them sit there and watch video? And also - most of that video was old. A couple of neat shots in the Indy segment, but even that was getting a little old. The more I hear drivers talk about the magic of their first time inside Indy, the more the magic wears off for me. Enough already, we get it. I'm getting a little bored of the long sweeping camera shots of an empty Indy raceway. It's a cathedral, I get it - but sometimes the level of appreciation of the place is so shallow and repetitive, I tune out.<br /><br />The Mayfield discussion was the lowpoint, with really no clarity offered. I at LEAST expected them to go around the table and ask each person whose side they were on, of if as journalist that is too heavy-handed, at least ask them to take a stand on who was telling the truth and who was casting BS. Instead, they just vaguely talked about how bizarre it was, spent too mcuh time talking about how the incident reminds them of NASCAR"s hillbilly stereotype (which was a completely new take that I think was shared only by the panelists), and then at the end they went around and excused themselves for their poor coverage because there hadn't ever been a drug scandal in racing before. <br /> <br />And I don't think the little closing comment about Dale Jr excuses the panel from taking a pass on talking about the 88. I'm not a JR fan, but the deterioration of his team and failure to rebound from changes is one of the top racing stories of the year. <br /><br />Most interesting nugget thrown out all night: That Tony Stewart wants to run the Indy 500 in 2011. I would have liked a follow-up question there, because that seems to imply that he'd decided now that he will miss the 600 that year and run Indy instead on that day, since running both is now impossible and there is no indication of a date switch. Even the most cursory exploration of that bit of news would have been more interesting than the entire segment on the 14.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-16771975125295699252009-07-20T23:54:47.542-04:002009-07-20T23:54:47.542-04:00I agree with most of you, too much video, not enou...I agree with most of you, too much video, not enough discussion. There is aother person that I wish had been there, but he is no longer with us:David Poole. When he was on before, he looked very uncomfortable,in the high chairs, with no desk, and the necktie. I always enjoyed his take on things, even if I did not agree with all of them.bryanhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67262316202816577712009-07-20T23:00:23.139-04:002009-07-20T23:00:23.139-04:00I said in my earlier post that the JM soap opera s...I said in my earlier post that the JM soap opera shouldn't be covered as much. I should have added, unless a reporter wants to delve into all this and ask the pertinent questions to JM.<br /><br />Why hasn't the B sample been tested yet? Court docs say JM/attys haven't picked a lab. Who pays for the B sample test?<br /><br />Oh, by the way, I cracked the case. The FED EX driver spiked the urine sample.Dothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701502016993312530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-22333978019204514642009-07-20T22:18:48.084-04:002009-07-20T22:18:48.084-04:00Correction to my last - "NASCAR had no choice...Correction to my last - <i>"NASCAR had no choice but to keep him off the track until the second and confirming "B" sample results came back.</i><br /><br />That should read "NASCAR had no choice but <b>to allow him to race</b> until the second and confirming "B" sample results came back."<br /><br />You know, that whole "innocent til proven guilty" meme the Mayfield syncophants have been screaming since May.marchttp://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-16879979515596994702009-07-20T22:14:22.712-04:002009-07-20T22:14:22.712-04:00The hallowed halls of EESPN sure would have been a...The hallowed halls of EESPN sure would have been a convenient place to have someone on conversant with the drug testing program of the NFL, NBA, or MLB to explain how it compares with that of NASCAR - but that could have been inconvenient since EESPN immediately finds players in other sports guilty, and forever tainted, if they fail a drug test.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-32538118036936276412009-07-20T22:13:30.594-04:002009-07-20T22:13:30.594-04:00"One final key point exposed by Fryer was tha...<i>"One final key point exposed by Fryer was that Mayfield was allowed to return to the track even after his positive drug test because of flaws in NASCAR's own system of testing."</i><br /><br />That's patent BS, with the single "A" sample being positive and the specter of it being a false positive NASCAR had no choice but to keep him off the track until the second and confirming "B" sample results came back.<br /><br />Anon - <i>"I heard that Jeremy had the hair-sample test but no results...?"</i><br /><br />"Puzzled" shouldn't be the word you use, the correct phrase is more on the lines of "the ramblings of a drowning man."<br /><br />His alleged hair sample test is just that alleged, it has never been entered into any court record and I defy anyone to point to a quote by his lawyer noting it.<br /><br />West Coast Diane said - <i>"That fact that yous said the media is as confused as we are is perplexing. Someone needs to be an investigative reporter, like many of the Planeteers, who have provided excellent information with the use of their keyboards.</i><br /><br />Precisely, has anyone seen a reporters from the Lame Stream Media research whether NASCAR's program falls under Fed guidelines as his attorneys are suggesting? [not req'd BTW]<br /><br />Has one reporter called him on the "spiked" samples allegation?<br /><br />Or asked Mayfield's proof that NASCAR paid Lisa Mayfield cash for her affidavit?<br /><br />I haven't seen a damn one, they are just glad he "honors" them with his presence and spews whatever BS he so desires and fail to question anything.<br /><br />It's friggin' shameful is what it is.marchttp://fullthrottle.cranialcavity.net/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-51196874933964837752009-07-20T21:56:49.842-04:002009-07-20T21:56:49.842-04:00Where the heck were Marty Smith and David Newton o...Where the heck were Marty Smith and David Newton on this show? Aren't they the ones that have talked to Mayfield the most?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-31222790543153751502009-07-20T21:01:15.857-04:002009-07-20T21:01:15.857-04:00I was a little let down by the first part of the s...I was a little let down by the first part of the show, but was glad to Jenna voiced her opinion on the JM situation, and agree with her take.<br />At first her suggestion of doing away with the NW series kind of irked me, but the more I've thought about it, the more I can agree with it.<br />The rest of the panel had good points, but I'm glad it didn't break out into a pit bulls segment.<br />I have added Nate to my twitter list along with other reporters. also want to thank JD for his tweats.boydhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01294840909356871860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-21573859851488203122009-07-20T20:59:09.359-04:002009-07-20T20:59:09.359-04:00I thought the most of the show was pretty boring a...I thought the most of the show was pretty boring and very predictable. I was expecting more controversial comments, but the whole thing was quite white bread. Too many canned pieces and although I guess it was supposed to look this way, it appeared to much like some of the boring Sunday morning news shows. I much prefer to see the regular Monday line up on NN.darbarnoreply@blogger.com