tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post5109110420865409476..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: TV Police: Sprint Cup Series From California On FOX (Day Two Of Comments)Daly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger109125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-74611267260154934562011-03-29T16:08:58.365-04:002011-03-29T16:08:58.365-04:00I think we hijacked this post and it's probabl...I think we hijacked this post and it's probably my fault.<br /><br />Going to spin the finish line issue into a new stand-alone topic for comments.<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-76656922523529198872011-03-29T15:55:15.042-04:002011-03-29T15:55:15.042-04:00I am unable to read the ticker on my standard def ...I am unable to read the ticker on my standard def tv. So when the broadcast is set to go off the air and they display the finishing order, I press pause on my remote and freeze the frame so I can see where everyone finished. This is no joke. I have to do this because the presentation of race event is so incoherent and disorganized I have no idea where anybody finished the race, let alone where they ran most of the day. When they don't even show the cars crossing the stripe with a display of even the top 10 it just adds to the confusion. <br />This blog is not the problem - FOX is the problem. They are a mess!Chadderboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08452946399432640630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-28598074071036597302011-03-29T15:13:22.758-04:002011-03-29T15:13:22.758-04:00JD, he said he did have a favorite--the 29.
I was...JD, he said he did have a favorite--the 29.<br /><br />I was the one talking about being in the minority (with Ken, apparently) yesterday--and yes, I also have a favorite (whose car really sucked Sunday). To be honest, in attendance, I time it so I am at the bottom of the stairs when the checkered flag waves at the end. And then I'm booking for the parking lot. My companions also all have favorite drivers, and they sometimes leave *before* it's over. I just can't plunk down $90 a ticket & do that, but many do. It's just issues of traffic & having a long drive home (and the main reason I've never been to Pocono, which I bet is better in person.)<br /><br />I agree the split screen would solve it easily (provided one of them is not on 'wife cam' or something). Honestly, I really didn't care about watching my driver cross the finish line in 23rd. But yes, I understand there are those who do and I think it's probably enough to support doing it. Especially when, as Charlie pointed out, it only takes a few seconds; at least for the top 10 or 20, depending on the type of track. I guess I feel like there are *worse* sins, and this seems minor in comparison to bad camera angles and overbearing announcers. I think it does go to showing that they don't understand the fan base though. How's that for a wishy washy viewpoint, lol?glenc1noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-28948006065739542832011-03-29T13:53:58.001-04:002011-03-29T13:53:58.001-04:00Ken,
"Nobody at the pub slams his mug of dra...Ken,<br /><br />"Nobody at the pub slams his mug of draft beer on the table because he didnt see his driver finish 5th - 8th - or 21st. He/she waits for the final results or keeps an eye on the ticker."<br /><br />Maybe I should start forwarding you my email. If you had a houseful of Ryan Newman fans or a group of Team Red Bull fans at the bar, you did not give a daggone if Harvick won this race.<br /><br />What you are failing to realize because you do not have a favorite is that the vast majority of NASCAR fans are in the sport because they do!<br /><br />As we have said many times, even in a horse race the TV director makes sure to show the horses crossing the line. <br /><br />Instead of three minutes, fans of these drivers have been watching for three hours. <br /><br />Ken, the fan base is dwindling, the TV numbers are down and the media is attacking the sport for being out of touch. To me, this is one of the key reasons why.<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-68358783654897996872011-03-29T11:33:41.106-04:002011-03-29T11:33:41.106-04:00I honestly chuckled at the end of the California r...I honestly chuckled at the end of the California race.<br /><br />I wanted to see how Artie and the crew handled the finish. He chose the in car "face cam" for several seconds, the shot of pit crew celebration, etc.<br /><br />Chuckled because I feel FOX is doing it in this manner simply because YOU are making such a big deal out of it.<br /><br />Sunday's biggest story was the incredible drive and charge by the 29 car in the closing laps. Last lap pass to win.<br /><br />The Red Bull cars (of which you referred to) never even led a lap. Never a factor for 400 miles.<br /><br />I rarely watch a race on TV alone, always with friends at the house or at a local pub. NEVER...repeat NEVER has any of them ever bitched about not seeing their driver cross the line ....NEVER !!!<br /><br />Nobody at the pub slams his mug of draft beer on the table because he didnt see his driver finish 5th - 8th - or 21st. He/she waits for the final results or keeps an eye on the ticker.<br /><br />JD - you know I'm honest and more times than not agree with you. But I respectfully disagree on this issue.<br /><br />Split screens would go a long way concerning this issue. Put the winner in the small box and if any battles are coming to the finish, then show it.<br /><br />At California, the 29's impressive charge in the closing laps deserved the TV time.Ken-Michigannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-80073840781836344062011-03-29T10:44:43.104-04:002011-03-29T10:44:43.104-04:00Ken,
That makes no sense to me. Your driver could...Ken,<br /><br />That makes no sense to me. Your driver could have spent the entire day dealing with adversity and come back to finish in the top ten.<br /><br />Other drivers, like Ryan Newman who finished 5th have a very big fan base.<br /><br />The assertion that somehow the race is over when the winner crosses the line is ridiculous.<br /><br />The remainder of the field is not coasting to the line because they did not win. They are racing to the line at full speed for position.<br /><br />To somehow say that the winner is the story of the race is even stranger. There are 36 races and each will have a winner. Meanwhile, the entire sport is based on making the Chase and then running for the championship.<br /><br />If you watch the truck races on SPEED, the network shows respect to the trucks on the lead lap by allowing them to race to the line on camera.<br /><br />Even ESPN last week cut quickly to the winner and then went back to catch the racing to the line.<br /><br />It just amazes me that this is even an issue.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-21679681403148798282011-03-29T08:35:23.830-04:002011-03-29T08:35:23.830-04:00I had to laugh at Mike Joy's comments after th...I had to laugh at Mike Joy's comments after the race saying this was one of the best California races ever. Well, either he never watched last fall's race (which really was a good race) or his director never showed us much of that great racing.MRM4https://www.blogger.com/profile/04045747192945960087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-43882435870886800132011-03-29T08:16:03.809-04:002011-03-29T08:16:03.809-04:00Anon 7:47 pm -- Bravo!!
JD, congrats to the Red B...Anon 7:47 pm -- Bravo!!<br /><br />JD, congrats to the Red Bull guys -- that is great (even if I'm not a fan of Toyota or Red Bull) - that's quite an accomplishment.GinaV24https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828669350024430018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-69763149946514504492011-03-29T07:58:59.844-04:002011-03-29T07:58:59.844-04:00I read through all the comments each week and hard...I read through all the comments each week and hardly ever post but this is one of the best i've ever read on her and it is SO TRUE...<br /><br />"The review of each race shouldn't be called "TV Police" but "Groundhog Day." Because it is the same people complaining about the same TV issues weekly. Yet being surprised every week that the coverage doesn't change based on their whims."<br /><br />When are we going to get it? They (Nascar, Fox) don't care what we think. Just ask Brian France. Everything is fine and on the up and up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-82572919867920642692011-03-29T01:26:11.710-04:002011-03-29T01:26:11.710-04:00Just for information, the 20th placed car, Mark Ma...Just for information, the 20th placed car, Mark Martin was 7.903 seconds behind the leader.<br />So if they held the camera for 8 seconds we would have seen 21 lead cars crossing the finish line.<br />Martin Truex Jr. finished 7.966 sec. back.Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03003781121938153072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-46080500252783872772011-03-29T00:59:30.758-04:002011-03-29T00:59:30.758-04:00Race Finish on TV:
I have commented on this befo...Race Finish on TV:<br /><br /> I have commented on this before and I stick with it, even though many of others dont agree.<br /><br /> Do you actually expect the director to lock down on a shot of the finish line for the remaining competitors to finish ? <br /><br /> If you have "invested" 2 and a half hours watching 400 miles and STILL need to see YOUR driver finish 9th or 19th or 29th, it;s time to buy a ticket and go to the race.<br /><br /> Yes JD, people in the stands really do GET UP and start leaving their seats when the winner crosses the finish line. Sure some stay, but its not to watch the other 42 losers, its to finish their beverage. <br /><br /> If MY driver has been running 15th for the final 75 laps, I have a pretty good idea that he's going to finish 14th, 15th, or 16th. I'm going to sleep just fine if I do not see him finish 18 seconds behind the leader.... he's been running there all day. HE SUCKED !!<br /><br /> By the way,like many, I too have a favorite car / driver. At California, MY driver led only ONE lap. It was the LAST LAP !! I saw him finish just fine !!Ken-Michigannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-2993668718851586602011-03-29T00:01:36.433-04:002011-03-29T00:01:36.433-04:00I just found out that both Red Bull cars got a top...I just found out that both Red Bull cars got a top ten in Fontana.<br /><br />No wonder those peeps were sending email upset at FOX. Since I was so disgusted I turned off the TV, I had no clue.<br /><br />That's amazing, Kahne and Vickers in the top ten and were not shown finishing the race on TV.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-80149569613711755642011-03-28T22:24:34.646-04:002011-03-28T22:24:34.646-04:00inkthatpaints...I doubt that In-N-Out would ever g...inkthatpaints...I doubt that In-N-Out would ever go for it as a big part of the appeal is their reasonable prices. The last time I ever went to what I still call California Speedway, they charged me $3 for a small bottle of water that cost 89 cents at any local convenience store. With that kind of a markup, my guess is that a Double-Double -- Animal Style, of course ;-) -- with fries and a drink would run about $17-$18. =:-oKoHoSohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457687879505057220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-76346816721430445752011-03-28T22:23:29.828-04:002011-03-28T22:23:29.828-04:00The attitude that only the winner matters is ridic...The attitude that only the winner matters is ridiculous. There were several cars (from what I read in other articles, NOT from what I was shown on TV) that were battling right down to the wire for places. When I go to a race in person, I watch any battle anywhere on the track, favorite driver or not. If I can't get close to that same experience watching TV, it isn't worth it. Fox doesn't have a clue what makes people get involved in a race and keeps them glued to the TV. Covering a race as if it was qualifying by showin single cars or too many in car shots totally distances the audience from the action. Not the way to get and keep viewers.Sallyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03233133246348697023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-35457459475803529022011-03-28T20:47:22.858-04:002011-03-28T20:47:22.858-04:00Still waiting for ACS to put in an In-N-Out at the...Still waiting for ACS to put in an In-N-Out at the track.inkthatpaintshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08871878814011579333noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-9546052213208483742011-03-28T20:32:15.072-04:002011-03-28T20:32:15.072-04:00I wanted to watch a race, but all I saw was commer...I wanted to watch a race, but all I saw was commercials........Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530553847645526841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-59718160100839433552011-03-28T19:47:42.980-04:002011-03-28T19:47:42.980-04:00anon wrote:
And to whoever mentioned Ken Schrader ...anon wrote:<br />And to whoever mentioned Ken Schrader - this must be a joke. I love Kenny on TV as much as the next guy... but c'mon. He finished 33rd. Are you suggesting FOX should have shown 33rd cross the line? What a joke! NASCAR has NEVER given equal time to a guy running 33rd. EVER. To say anything else is to overly romantacize the broadcasts that made you a fan. It never happened.<br /><br />Well, sonny, I wrote about Schrader, and it ain't no joke!<br />NASCAR tv coverage USED to show guys finishing 33rd, because we(who produced it back then) knew fans existed for every driver, and we knew that every driver who finished the entire race worked just as hard, and probably harder than the guy who won. WE showed racing on the track and changes of position WHEREVER IT HAPPENED,<br />That, my young, casual fan, was the key to great coverage.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-24997330659063541672011-03-28T18:51:53.857-04:002011-03-28T18:51:53.857-04:00Just so we are all on the same page, it's not ...Just so we are all on the same page, it's not about being in the majority or minority on issues.<br /><br />We all have our own opinions developed from our own experiences and that is what makes these debates interesting.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30454329778814185352011-03-28T18:13:37.526-04:002011-03-28T18:13:37.526-04:00All the comments yesterday and today reminded me h...All the comments yesterday and today reminded me how GRATEFUL I am to have Versus because I am throwing my support to Indycar.<br /><br />Even though the cars were strung out Indycar showed who crossed the finish line the best they could! Groups of cars were 23 seconds apart!! They showed the winner then went to show the fight between Simone & Kanaan.<br /><br />Everybody KNOWS who danica patrick is from her over saturated propaganda image & go daddy gross commercials. There are many worthy of our support like Graham Rahal who lives in Columbus Ohio most of the time from what I gather on Twitter and Simone DeSilvestra is a classy, hard working driver, GRATEFUL for the opportunity that has been bestowed up on her.<br /><br />Fox, you've ruined many sports but I am no longer watching NASCAR because of you & BSPN.<br /><br /><br />JD,<br /><br />Will Mike Wells no longer be doing TNT races since he now runs Versus races? That will ruin my mid summer enjoyment of NASCAR racing since he'd show us the ENTIRE field.<br /><br /><br /><br />I'm stunned some here think it's fine to NOT show more than the winning car over the finish line. Seeing crew shots & pit crews act like a bunch of boy scouts is not what I care to see. Thus I will No longer put out energy to a race that only hacks me off.<br /><br />P.S. Oh and insert sarcasm here, Thanks NASCAR for removing all terrestrial racing on radio. I used to ENJOY listening to the race in the car or the yard but you've taken that away too. I would never, EVER dream of getting satellite radio, especially in this tough economy.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-41174512177415033842011-03-28T17:56:33.913-04:002011-03-28T17:56:33.913-04:00@Gina 5:01pm
Ditto; I keep my eyes on the track u...@Gina 5:01pm<br /><br />Ditto; I keep my eyes on the track until the last car finishes the cool-down lap. Then I'll see if there are potential pit-road confrontations.<br /><br />There are battles everywhere, and they can happen 15 seconds (Bristol) to 50 seconds (Daytona) AFTER the checkered flag drops.<br /><br />And I'll rarely tune my scanner to the winner's channel. I'd rather go to the driver who's most angry or the little guy who got his first top-10.bowlalpohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361020298223178407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44723004996231642192011-03-28T17:01:18.292-04:002011-03-28T17:01:18.292-04:00You bet that if I'm at the race, I am standing...You bet that if I'm at the race, I am standing there watching ALL the cars cross the finish line. Even if MY favorite wins. Heck, that's the payoff for all the time spent at the event.GinaV24https://www.blogger.com/profile/10828669350024430018noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-7769652938975611842011-03-28T16:56:00.176-04:002011-03-28T16:56:00.176-04:00Daly Planet Editor said...
It's pretty much a...<b>Daly Planet Editor said...<br /><br /><i>It's pretty much an eye-opener and why it's so frustrating to have the NASCAR shills telling fans everything is just fine.<br /><br />When something is not working, you fix it. Bottom line is things are not working for FOX.</i></b><br /><br />JD, I believe you just hit on something that currently infects most media and big corporations of <i>any</i> type these days...<i>never</i> admit you did anything wrong...just keep spinning things in your direction and, eventually, enough people will believe it so you can survive the ire of those that speak out against your actions.<br /><br />That's one of the reasons 2011 might be my last as a NASCAR fan after 40 years (I'm 45). To me, this type of "spin" from NASCAR, Fox, ESPN, and certain sportswriters who have ingested too much of the Daytona Beach Kool-Aid is bearing false witness -- something I seem to recall reading somewhere that people should not do -- and that's not exactly what I expect all of the time from a sport that outwardly promotes itself as being one that caters to those with "family values."<br /><br />JMHOKoHoSohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457687879505057220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6309174155241570732011-03-28T16:52:12.492-04:002011-03-28T16:52:12.492-04:00Watched HotPass. Got to see JPM, Biff, JR & TS...Watched HotPass. Got to see JPM, Biff, JR & TS battling for 10th thru 13th at the finish. Also got to watch JR battle back up to that pack from 19th after Landon Cassill spun his tires on the restart. Pretty exciting.<br /><br />Did anyone watching FOX see that?<br /><br />Because FOX is on the split screen, also got to see the exciting finish for the win without listening to the booth.<br /><br />I enjoy watching cars race, whoever they are. As long as we have the Chase and the top 35, every position means something to someone.<br /><br />If we only care who wins then why don't we just take race winners through the first 26 races and put them in a race by themselves. <br /><br />I've given up on FOX changing anything. <br /><br />PS...did appreciate the extended post race interviews.West Coast Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17699630999524810425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-4229379817924296842011-03-28T16:50:23.865-04:002011-03-28T16:50:23.865-04:00Fox is just showing no willingness to change. We c...Fox is just showing no willingness to change. We can keep shouting here for improvements but until they show the improvements, there is no sense trying to watch an unwatchable race.<br /><br />I hear ESPN is getting a little bit better but i am waiting out the remainder of the season.<br /><br />Done, I have been done a long time ago.<br /><br />What about you.saltsburgtrojanfannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-33103160195882510692011-03-28T16:41:59.155-04:002011-03-28T16:41:59.155-04:00wow--things got interesting this afternoon. To be...wow--things got interesting this afternoon. To be honest, I am not as 'hot' on the 'showing all cars finishing' line as some of you, but I respect the opinion and I may be the minority. <br /><br />When I became a serious fan in '97(I was 'casual' before that...), the first thing my friend said to me was 'who are you going to root for' like it was a mandate. To me, as a 'casual' fan I didn't really have much of an opinion on coverage because I couldn't possibly know what I was missing. (For example, I would watch Daytona because it was Daytona, and it took just a few races of really understanding to show me that that was NOT a form of racing I was fond of.) It certainly only took a race or two to understand tight & loose. (I noticed that on MRN they casually inserted a very quick explanation when they mentioned it, took five seconds, not a cutaway car.) And my biggest objection was the lack of 'unbiasedness' toward NASCAR.<br /><br />How times have changed. I'd take Ned & Benny back even when I hated how they'd suck up to NASCAR. The old statement, 'I don't know anything about art but I know what I like' was wrong. Because if you don't know anything about art you don't even *know* what you like, and you'd probably surprise yourself by learning. I did.glenc1noreply@blogger.com