tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post651491866303468795..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: Can NASCAR Learn From The Masters?Daly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger59125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-18514155274304060752012-04-11T15:22:25.918-04:002012-04-11T15:22:25.918-04:00I'm behind on my TDP reading.
I did not watc...I'm behind on my TDP reading. <br /><br />I did not watch the Masters so my comments are only guesses. Here they are.<br /><br />1. No close up of Golfer A's feet after his tee off. <br /><br />2. Not talking about Golfer B when Golfer C is making his putt.<br /><br />3. Not missing a ball going into the rough, unlike the replays we are subject to when the camera director's attention is elsewhere. <br /><br />I realize golf is easier to televise than racing. However, if the announcers and the truck would be a little more in sync, we could get a better bead on what's going on. I don't know how many cameras there are at any given track, but the least they could do is place them in the hot spots. And, I'm still wondering why no actual footage of JPM hitting the safety truck. Is it on Youtube somewhere? I could understand if someone died and not showing it, but why the secrecy?<br /><br />BTW, I love that someone named Bubba won the green jacket. His name just doesn't fit in that sport. BTW2, does televised golf have a version of Tim Brewer or Jeff Hammond?Dothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701502016993312530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10049822952992953612012-04-11T08:59:42.570-04:002012-04-11T08:59:42.570-04:00Anon 6:04,
Having different opinions on the same ...Anon 6:04,<br /><br />Having different opinions on the same topic happens here everyday. <br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-81785565389315983372012-04-10T21:41:29.355-04:002012-04-10T21:41:29.355-04:00Over the past few days I've watched various NA...Over the past few days I've watched various NASCAR clips on Youtube, and I'd like to share a couple of observations. <br /><br />I watched the finish of one of NASCAR on FOX's first races, the 2001 Carquest 300 at Charlotte. It was decided by half a car-length after Matt Kenseth tried unsuccessfully to root Jeff Green off the bottom in the final turn. Going into turn 3, DW said "Kenseth's gonna take it in on the outside"; Kenseth went low, and DW said right after the checkered flag fell, "Kenseth did...exactly what I thought he was going to do". Meanwhile, Larry Mac called the finish more than Mike Joy did. In other words, the FOX announcers behaved back then exactly like we criticize them for doing today (assuming I'm not the only one who thinks Larry has a tendency to yell over the rest of the booth). Why didn't we mind them then? Better presentation is my guess. I don't want to get too much into that.<br /><br />I also saw some compilations of NASCAR speed shots, which were absolutely glorious and are terribly underused during broadcasts. Here's an idea for when the field gets strung out: increase the volume of the ambient noise. Let the engines take over, and convey the speed to the audience. <br /><br />I also saw a bit of racing from the FIA GT1 series, where the camera work makes FOX look good. It's not that the angles are bad, but cuts are made with extreme frequency—in-car, wide shot, tight shot, wide shot, tight shot, in-car—wait, who are they showing? All the jumping cut up the wonderful engine noises, and without a label for the in-car shot, I had no idea who I was looking at. <br /><br />I don't know what to make of all this. I'd say: <br /><br />Three commentators work best when the presentation is good and they don't get in each other's way. <br /><br />Big, noisy speed shots can be infinitely preferable to three commentators' worth of babble, and would be a great way to spice up a long green run if they were noisy enough. <br /><br />When we see in-car shots, tell us whose car we're looking out of. <br /><br />I didn't see the Masters, so I can't comment there.Zetonahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15019200559798764852noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44225721977286554832012-04-10T21:04:44.691-04:002012-04-10T21:04:44.691-04:00JD,
thank you for being dismissive and condescen...JD, <br /><br />thank you for being dismissive and condescending of my opinion on your column.<br /><br />let me say that Fox could get rid of Digger and we'd all be better off.<br /><br />however, I maintain that NASCAR and the Master's golf tournament are horses of different colors and you cannot compare the television coverage of the two.<br /><br />thank you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-64477315831292041682012-04-10T19:34:17.397-04:002012-04-10T19:34:17.397-04:00Anon 7:04PM,
Golf got some of the highest ratings...Anon 7:04PM,<br /><br />Golf got some of the highest ratings when Tiger was dominating.<br /><br />CBS got rid of the sound effects many years ago.<br /><br />Don't understand why you think there has to be an accident to make racing exciting.<br /><br />If you took the time to read the column, the question is could NASCAR TV take anything from The Masters coverage.<br /><br />Thanks for your comment.<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10988940994204820862012-04-10T19:04:03.364-04:002012-04-10T19:04:03.364-04:00well NASCAR and the Master's are two entirely ...well NASCAR and the Master's are two entirely different sports.<br /><br />tell me how you make the Master's exciting with Tiger leading my 10 strokes in the final round? then where are the ratings?<br /><br />i'm so sick of this "hallowed" golf course and all the history that makes it seem like we are in Church. And we hear the fake birds chirping. Amen Corner, Hogan's Bridge, Butler Cabin...enough. they didnt integrate until they had to and they still won't let women in the club, that we know of.<br /><br />what kind of excitement can the announcers create in NASCAR when the cars whiz around at 200 mph for 90 laps without a caution?<br /><br />Most of the races are decided like NBA games anyway. just tune in for the last 20 or so laps.<br /><br />you cant compare golf coverage with NASCAR.<br /><br />Amen (corner).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-82138571111033810092012-04-10T13:36:14.222-04:002012-04-10T13:36:14.222-04:00Anon at 12:10 is correct about having 50% of the s...Anon at 12:10 is correct about having 50% of the shots shown on tape, and that doesn't count the shots which are repeated, like the double-eagle, by using the "effect" logo.<br /><br />Fortunately, unless TV tells you, you can't tell if a golf shot is on tape unless the "tape room" messes up and freezes the picture. But CBS took a big risk Sunday by delaying the pictures of Mickelson's birdie putt on 17 by SEVEN MINUTES while having us watch Bubba and Louis LINE UP their putts on 18.<br /><br />IF Mickelson had made it to get within one, which would have generated the loudest roar of the weekend, CBS would have been creamed by the critics.<br /><br />I agree with JD that the SPORT OF GOLF is treated more properly with respect to its audience, and NASCAR should make strides to do the same. But CBS did miss a lot of live shots and did not follow up on many of the "roars heard in the background."<br /><br />I think the drama of the event is disproportionately taken into account when the presentation of the event is reviewed.bowlalpohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17361020298223178407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-25850101535948578282012-04-10T10:17:11.433-04:002012-04-10T10:17:11.433-04:00Hey Charlie.... Nick Faldo does not hawk his wares...Hey Charlie.... Nick Faldo does not hawk his wares because the MASTERS will NOT let him!! You bet he would if he was allowed. How many times did you hear he was a 3-time champion? Plenty! <br />Again with the sponsors...they don't get those features because they ARE NOT ALLOWED to do it<br /><br />it's a bogus question that is only backed up by "general" observations...nothing specific...nothing TV related...nothing in general other than than "talent" complaints and the disdain for tight shots. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anon @ 12:10a, the club does limit the number of commercials. The question is, if Augusta National can do it, why can't NASCAR? Nick Faldo didn't hawk stuffed animals on the network web site. The sponsors didn't get air time with pointless statistics under the guise of branded 'features' at the expense of covering play. Obscure rules were explained, but it was assumed the audience had a basic knowledge of the sport. Compare that to explanations of 'tight' and 'loose' that still occur after a decade of national broadcasts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6007543386379144002012-04-10T09:11:26.204-04:002012-04-10T09:11:26.204-04:00Can NASCAR learn from the Masters?
Well they could...Can NASCAR learn from the Masters?<br />Well they could if 2 things came to pass.<br /><br /> First they would have to recognize the problem is them, the lousy product they put on the air week in & week out. And take responsibility for it.<br /><br />Second every one on air, in the truck & TPTB would have to care, en mass about getting better.<br /><br />I just do not see that occurring. All it takes is 1 stubborn mule & a boss who has the attitude of "if fans don't like it - Tough" to derail any improvements.<br /><br />Now I'll read the other comments.Jojhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17003121615505036490noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-607370784232260012012-04-10T07:02:32.226-04:002012-04-10T07:02:32.226-04:00Anon @ 12:10a, the club does limit the number of c...Anon @ 12:10a, the club does limit the number of commercials. The question is, if Augusta National can do it, why can't NASCAR? Nick Faldo didn't hawk stuffed animals on the network web site. The sponsors didn't get air time with pointless statistics under the guise of branded 'features' at the expense of covering play. Obscure rules were explained, but it was assumed the audience had a basic knowledge of the sport. Compare that to explanations of 'tight' and 'loose' that still occur after a decade of national broadcasts.Charlie Spencernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-47337434564906977572012-04-10T00:23:01.762-04:002012-04-10T00:23:01.762-04:00Sorry JD, I got this one.....
Anon 12:10, you ar...Sorry JD, I got this one.....<br /><br />Anon 12:10, you are a person in need of enlightenment. ;) lol<br /><br />Obviously you DO work for nascar or fox. sorry......<br /><br />If you can't see the differences?<br />This is why you are part of the problem.<br /><br />I do understand that self analysis is very difficult. Something you may want to explore sometimeBobby Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44475200830464617252012-04-10T00:10:59.077-04:002012-04-10T00:10:59.077-04:00sorry to interrupt this love fest...but you cannot...sorry to interrupt this love fest...but you cannot honestly compare broadcasting the MASTERS to nascar?<br /><br />Funny...I didn't hear you moan and groan about seeing about 50% of action on Sunday on TAPE and REPLAY..but I digress...i guess it's like covering 43 cars on the track...sometimes things get missed<br /><br />And you really have the stones to bring up the commercial usage between the two sports??? what you fail to mention is that The Masters severely limits how many spots can air in an hour, and they limit how many sponsors CBS can bring on...which is why you saw the same commercial over and over. See how many commercials are jammed in when the green jackets lift the restrictions<br /><br />as for the production...I give them good marks across the board...although they were a lot of audio mishaps (wrong audio under video being shown was common) but overall the pretty pictures of Augusta were plentiful...as was the obnoxious hyperbole from each commentator...BUT that's expected at the Masters. <br /><br />Could have used an interview from the dude who caught double-eagle ball as well...although I may have missed it<br /><br />Also...worth noting...the ratings were lower than last year<br /><br />disclosure...i work in the TV business and have worked on NASCAR coverageAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-8648046586984428742012-04-10T00:05:32.441-04:002012-04-10T00:05:32.441-04:00Very nice write JD. And spot on.
It would seem ...Very nice write JD. And spot on. <br /><br />It would seem very simple and clearly obvious for some networks to see the lite we have been asking for the last few years.<br /><br />Sorely they are blind!Bobby Onoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-39712609392618089402012-04-09T20:16:39.607-04:002012-04-09T20:16:39.607-04:00As I have said before in the past week, there are ...As I have said before in the past week, there are racing series that treat their viewers like adults. The F-1, ALMS,Rolex Sportscar Series, and Indycar treat the people that have chosen to tune in like they are appreciated,as opposed to being told endless nonsense, let alone camera shots that create headaches all over the country.MortonGroveDonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-22363830575505380512012-04-09T19:27:10.958-04:002012-04-09T19:27:10.958-04:00Can NASCAR Learn From The Masters? Yes. Will they?...Can NASCAR Learn From The Masters? Yes. Will they? No. All the parties involved from the sanctioning body to the TV crews to the tracks are too stubborn to change up the formula.<br /><br />I watched the final 10 minutes or so of The Masters to see Bubba win, mainly because of the NASCAR connection, without that I would not have watched. I have never watched golf before and dont understand much about the game.<br /><br />The part of the coverage I watched was top notch. There were no graphics on screen unless they were needed, compare that to ESPN's 4 lines of info.<br /><br />I know its golf so the commentators will talk softly, but I found that to be so much better than a bunch of former drivers and crew chiefs SCREAMING AT YOU ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!!!!!!<br /><br />I remember a couple years ago I posted something about NASCAR telecasts lacking professionalism, and got laughed at by some. Whos laughing now? The product that CBS put out was a perfect example of what I was talking about then. That is what our sport needs from the TV side of things. I was thoroughly impressed.<br /><br />BTW, these new captcha's are a pain. It takes 3 or 4 tries to post a comment.Rolandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00623901340377966481noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-37078376730287495062012-04-09T19:18:13.035-04:002012-04-09T19:18:13.035-04:00That's a very interesting premise, that Nascar...That's a very interesting premise, that Nascar could learn from the other networks, even when CBS did the Daytona 500, and a few others, The great Ken Squier,kept the focus on the race, Ned Jarrett, BP,I remember them at times discussing how they raced, but not to the point of being intrusive,and Chris Economaki?, wouldn't ever talk about being at the rodeo, or weight lifting, wrestling, just his joy of being at the track, learn anything?, not as long as DW,MW, Hammond, et.al thing that we are tuning in to watch them, watch the races.tonybctnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-32246907984328573492012-04-09T17:53:10.939-04:002012-04-09T17:53:10.939-04:00Your article was great. Your points are spot on ab...Your article was great. Your points are spot on about the coverage CBS provided. I don't golf, ever, but I do watch the Masters every year. CBS was great. Nick Faldo did not talk about himself either, unless he was asked. <br /><br />I am Nascar fan of 35 years. The coverage of Sunday's races has become like watching a WWF event. I am a true nascar fan who travels hundreds of miles every year to attend 2-3 races. I do not want to continue to criticize the coverage but the truth is I am recording the races every Sunday so I can watch the race Sunday evening and fast forward though the babbling WWF antics, the commercials and the basic annoying style of the coverage. I love DW, Larry Mac and Mike Joy and I know they are doing the best they can, but it's all gotten so far off track it's just hard to sit through it live. Thank you DVR.Chadderboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08452946399432640630noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-71940416066009770112012-04-09T17:26:37.862-04:002012-04-09T17:26:37.862-04:00I didn't watch the Masters, I really didn'...I didn't watch the Masters, I really didn't watch anything Easter Sunday. However it sounds like the broadcast was a good one that NASCAR fans might benefit from. <br /><br />But can you really imagine watching this weekend's Samsung Mobile 500 at Texas for example with Mike Joy, Larry Mac, Darrell Waltrip and Michael Waltrip ultimately acting as a support staff for the athletes and event and no personal opinions? <br /><br />Wow that would shut them up. Not going to happen, but I would love to see it for one race in 2012.ThinkingBrianhttp://www.thinkingbrian.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-1735427839384777502012-04-09T17:06:23.879-04:002012-04-09T17:06:23.879-04:00CBS let the pictures tell the story.
Did you noti...CBS let the pictures tell the story.<br /><br />Did you notice that when they ran the bottom ticker, that showed the scores of all players, they waited until all players were shown before going to commercial? One time I noticed they had to do some talk fill in to make sure all the players were shown and in what position before going to commercial.Charliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03003781121938153072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-13473544057794898692012-04-09T16:57:51.859-04:002012-04-09T16:57:51.859-04:00We just returned from Wednesday's practice rou...We just returned from Wednesday's practice round at Augusta - delighted to see Denny Hamlin caddying for Bubba in the Par 3 contest! The telecast on CBS is like everything that is associated with The Masters - pure class! Nick Faldo is one of the best who every played, with multiple major wins - yet you never hear him self-promoting while he is doing analysis. He is articulate and fair - I've never heard him play favorites as seems to be the norm on the Fox NASCAR broadcasts. We watched the coverage from start to finish on Saturday and Sunday, the coverage was excellent. Also, with Direct TV, we have additional channels and leaderboard information available that is an excellent complement to the CBS coverage. We always enjoy a trip to Augusta for the tournament, but watching on CBS is entertaining and educational - in addition to be humorous is David Feherty is having a good day!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-11120133178962432082012-04-09T16:13:55.185-04:002012-04-09T16:13:55.185-04:00I dont think JD is talking about Boogity Boogity b...I dont think JD is talking about Boogity Boogity bro!Jonathannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-88532433260037605182012-04-09T16:11:53.637-04:002012-04-09T16:11:53.637-04:00JD, you are spot on. No "boogity boogity, bo...JD, you are spot on. No "boogity boogity, boogity" hillbilly crap. No "I promise you one" thing repeated about a thousand times by a know it all melon head. And, no owners with their own agenda making asinine comments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-87801881917913251582012-04-09T16:01:42.429-04:002012-04-09T16:01:42.429-04:00The masters was one of the most enjoyable golf tel...The masters was one of the most enjoyable golf telecasts so far this year. No mute buttons required, no stress, no yelling at the tv. Actual interesting smart broadcasters who treat the audience as intelligent humans ( rather than the 2 nascar bozo brothers who talk down to the audience as if we are blooming idiots from the backwoods of Tennessee.) Jeff Hammond needs to be back in the Hollywood Hotel.PERIOD. Nascar needs to present a racing telecast, not a MRW & Sponsors infomercial. (all waltrip all the time )Sorry but he must go.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-62488515549307928302012-04-09T15:55:53.412-04:002012-04-09T15:55:53.412-04:00You've hit the nail on the head in a very dipl...You've hit the nail on the head in a very diplomatic manner. I think a good portion of the Fox talent are a joke that are keeping our sport from growing to new fans and continue looking like a bunch of media hungry rednecks. If that's how the fans see it on TV, that's what they are going to remember. 'boogity boogity boogity!' Really? That's what we want to present to the world every weekend?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-47170478521350994322012-04-09T15:43:04.243-04:002012-04-09T15:43:04.243-04:00The premise of this column was to ask simply if NA...The premise of this column was to ask simply if NASCAR can learn anything from the manner in which The Masters was covered on Sunday by CBS.<br /><br />Keep in mind the tons of emails from irate Junior fans because TV chose to show only the first two cars on the final lap at Martinsville.<br /><br />Keep in mind that a recent TV feature explained that cameras show the cars in pairs at most and that is the way the network wants to present the sport to viewers.<br /><br />Keep in mind that The Masters announcers did not reference themselves or promote their sponsors or interests. They referenced the athletes, the play and the results.<br /><br />In the end, a story was allowed to play out without interruption or second guessing from the announce team. <br /><br />It seems that perhaps some fundamentals of sports TV coverage were on display that have been sorely lacking in recent NASCAR coverage.<br /><br />Thank you for all the diverse comments on this topic. <br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.com