tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post7174011486202938451..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: Evernham Involved In His Own Silly SeasonDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-59903980686827444082008-07-02T19:27:00.000-04:002008-07-02T19:27:00.000-04:00My problem with Ray is that he never ASKED for any...My problem with Ray is that he never ASKED for any public or fan forgiveness, nor did Erin. To my knowledge, they acknowledged their relationship only once, when Ray announced to the media that Erin was no longer going to drive for him (shortly before EMS became GEM and Ray became minority owner).<BR/><BR/>They seemed to blame their bad reputations among some fans as either the media's fault (Ray, who specifically blamed the media for Erin losing sponsorships when announcing Erin's departure) or blame NASCAR (Erin, who this year blamed NASCAR for not supporting her and promoting her so she could get new sponsorships after losing her old one). <BR/><BR/>The self centeredness that surrounds Evernham (which I perceive, others may not)and Crocker is what makes me not watch him on the air (I skipped the Loudon race).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-73162651863551779832008-07-02T18:44:00.000-04:002008-07-02T18:44:00.000-04:00Anonymous 12:45Don't tell the rest of the world wh...Anonymous 12:45<BR/><BR/>Don't tell the rest of the world what can and cannot be judged by your standards. I judge people every day. I judge Bin Ladin and I judge O.J. Simpson.<BR/><BR/>You seem to be missing the point, that media viewers have the right to not watch a program using a person they feel is objectionable.<BR/><BR/>It is not my job to forgive Evernham for adultery and improper employer/employee relations.<BR/><BR/>It is silly to try and force people not to be guided by their own morals and to try and force your religious viewpoint on others.<BR/><BR/>I'm not telling you to not watch him, I'm saying I won't watch him, just like I don't watch any Woody Allen movies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-15117136969628034182008-07-02T17:17:00.000-04:002008-07-02T17:17:00.000-04:00kohoso,I used my last stamp to contact NASCAR. I w...kohoso,<BR/><BR/>I used my last stamp to contact NASCAR. I will hook you up when I get back to the Post Office.<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the words, its always fun.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-39121517458464131062008-07-02T16:54:00.000-04:002008-07-02T16:54:00.000-04:00Mr. Daly, just to be clear, I was not saying that ...Mr. Daly, just to be clear, I was not saying that ESPN added Evernham to appeal to a younger demographic, but instead that the younger demographic they desire (whether they're getting it or not) cares less about such personal transgressions than those of us who are older.<BR/><BR/>And, yes, you are "esteemed" as far as I'm concerned -- not only because you let a hosehead like me chime in whenever I want, but mainly because you have done so much and done it so well when it comes to filling in frustrated fans about the workings of sports television and deflating the fallacies that fans (myself included) believe are facts. I also hold you in esteem because I know full well that it's not easy to do something like your blog and try to "entertain" everybody several times a week with significant entries. And, for all of that, no matter what others say and even during those times I disagree with you, I think a lot of your readers would agree with me that you are indeed "esteemed" as well as highly appreciated.<BR/><BR/>You put my check in the mail already, right? :-DKoHoSohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457687879505057220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-41390937480144101922008-07-02T12:44:00.000-04:002008-07-02T12:44:00.000-04:00I don't think it's anybody's business to judge Ray...I don't think it's anybody's business to judge Ray Evernham. He made a mistake - yes, it was a pretty bad one, but you can't sit there and list reasons to play God. It's not anybody's responsibility but God's to determine Ray's actions. If he asks for forgiveness, it's a person's duty as a Christian to forgive him and God will forgive him, too. You don't have to like him, but you can't be bitter and hold grudges against people either. Besides, it's not a person's actions that count, it's a person's heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-75218996731856824842008-07-01T22:28:00.000-04:002008-07-01T22:28:00.000-04:00I agree, DJ is very good and someone I look forwar...I agree, DJ is very good and someone I look forward to seeing, unlike Evernham.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-65612711623307887852008-07-01T21:54:00.000-04:002008-07-01T21:54:00.000-04:00To Michigan Fan, ditto. Let's make this about DJ f...To Michigan Fan, ditto.<BR/><BR/> Let's make this about DJ for a minute. I am sure glad to see him back on TV, on NN and the races.Dothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701502016993312530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-60796442922551096642008-07-01T19:41:00.000-04:002008-07-01T19:41:00.000-04:00Anon 7:23PM,If you would like to return and repost...Anon 7:23PM,<BR/><BR/>If you would like to return and repost without the b word, you are welcome.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-35411584085193535222008-07-01T19:23:00.000-04:002008-07-01T19:23:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-54867457626587076652008-07-01T18:53:00.000-04:002008-07-01T18:53:00.000-04:00Richard I had the same thought about Mike and AB. ...Richard I had the same thought about Mike and AB. I guess time will tell.<BR/>While I don't approve of Ray's personal life choices (I have a friend who did someting similar and I told him to his face that I thought he should have cleaned up one mess before he started another, he knows how I felt at the time, we've both moved on and are still friends). I know even less about Ray's situation, I do see they are still together so it was something more than a work place fling so I am slightly more tolerant but actually it is none of my business and since I have made some poor choices of my own I'm not about to start throwing stones.Newracefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324764517098771035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-43474773954591806162008-07-01T18:36:00.000-04:002008-07-01T18:36:00.000-04:00I believe it is fair to say that Ray E. is knowled...I believe it is fair to say that Ray E. is knowledgeable and well-spoken and "famous" with a very large segment of NASCAR fans because of his accomplishmnets with Jeff Gordon. Many aspects of his affair with Erin C. were clearly wrong - but, whether I should or should not, I do not feel I know enough of the real facts to be in a position to really judge what all he did that was wrong, beside the employer-employee relationship. For instance, I do recall he had a very seriously ill child and I have no idea what that might have done to his marriage prior to Erin C. I'm not saying he was not wrong, but that all the relevant facts are not, and probably should not be, public.<BR/><BR/>It does seem to me that ESPN likes to stockpile experts. For instance, ESPN has so many NFL experts that they will not all fit on one set on Sunday morning.<BR/><BR/>I happen to enjoy Andy Petree more than Ray E. because Andy can often be more humorous than Ray, and still be informative. I would expect that ESPN is likely to keep both Andy P. and Ray E. since they are both knowledgeable and because of the amount of time ESPN needs to fill and Andy's connection and chemistry with DJ.<BR/><BR/>Since GEM appears to have turned a corner and it appears that Ray no longer needs to be involved in all the day-to-day details, I wonder whether he would really want to do TV full-time.<BR/><BR/>From Monday's NASCAR Now, I wonder whether Mike M. is being set up to be the fill-in for Allen B. when Allen B. inevitably takes some time off.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30691947045521892292008-07-01T16:58:00.000-04:002008-07-01T16:58:00.000-04:00I have been called a lot of things over the past s...I have been called a lot of things over the past sixteen months, but never "esteemed." <BR/><BR/>My friends at Daytona back in February were a little surprised when Evernham strolled in with the ESPN guys for the press conference. <BR/><BR/>As you may remember from my posts back then, I was shocked. Here is a current Cup owner and a person who does not track very well with the female fans (50% of the TV audience) and he is going to be on national TV. <BR/><BR/>Perhaps, this was a good opportunity for him to go through this type of reaction and then have fans just get used to him. I certainly do not think he was added to serve the younger demographic. <BR/><BR/>As NASCAR learned last season, the younger gang is not out there right now. They are involved in other sports and online gaming. It is the veteran fans who are keeping this sport on the map and that is why we like to keep tabs on what they are thinking about the TV folks.<BR/><BR/>As I hinted several times during this thread, it should be very interesting to see if Evernham steps-up to a fulltime ESPN job next season and leaves his minority ownership position.<BR/><BR/>By the way, the Monday show was pretty good. <BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-9612948792535832092008-07-01T16:35:00.000-04:002008-07-01T16:35:00.000-04:00Just a though based upon all of these comments reg...Just a though based upon all of these comments regarding Ray Evernham...<BR/><BR/>I would think that ESPN would have already done at least a little research on how viewers react to him, especially considering the grief they went through from fans last year. Perhaps, <I>perhaps</I>, ESPN found that their desired demographic does not care about Ray's "sins" and that, maybe, <I>maybe</I>, those who did react negatively are the same people who are slowly leaving NASCAR anyway for various reasons (loss of tradition, the CoT, etc.).<BR/><BR/>The fact is that, when your main goal is to satisfy and attract a certain slice of the population, certain "transgressions" are less important to that demographic than others. Right or wrong, 18-35 or 18-49 year old males in general on a nationwide basis care less about adultery than other segments of the country. And, what your husband, brother, etc. might say to your face is different that what they <I>really</I> think because...well, we're guys and we're pigs, and most of us secretly root for other guys to get as much as they can whether it be money, fame, or women.<BR/><BR/>What I have said is in no way meant to put down anyone for their personal beliefs on what Evernham did and whether he should be given such a big platform. I don't care for what he did, but I admit that I would have given you a different answer as little as ten years ago. All I am trying to do here is inject some possible reality into this discussion and point out that probably, as far as ESPN is concerned, their targeted audience doesn't care and those who don't like it will either have to like it or lump it.<BR/><BR/>As always to the esteemed Mr. Daly, please feel free to correct me if my assumptions regarding ESPN are incorrect.KoHoSohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00457687879505057220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-15748538993340859022008-07-01T16:23:00.000-04:002008-07-01T16:23:00.000-04:00MI fan,Nice job! That will be the last one on this...MI fan,<BR/><BR/>Nice job! That will be the last one on this topic, however.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-28541238820475062312008-07-01T16:05:00.000-04:002008-07-01T16:05:00.000-04:00Sorry, JD. You did not mention both objections in...Sorry, JD. You did not mention both objections in your first message. Let me try again.<BR/><BR/>I like Ray Evernham's perspective as a crew chief and an owner. I also think he is better-spoken than most people that move from the sport to the broadcast set. <BR/><BR/>That doesn't mean that I approve of his private conduct, but it will not stop me from listening to his comments on the sport. He did not seek publicity for his private life. That was forced on him against his will by others.<BR/><BR/>If we are going to judge Ray Evernham by that standard, we better look into the personal conduct of other participants in the sport and media commentators. We won't have to look hard to find other examples of divorce where there may have been conduct that many find objectionable.<BR/><BR/>I understand that Evernham's conduct is deeply offensive to some because of serious, moral personal convictions. However, Evernham is hardly alone. You don't have to look far to find other examples in NASCAR and our own personal lives. I wonder if those who choose to shun Evernham would also shun a relative or long time friend who did something similar.<BR/><BR/>Michigan fan<BR/><BR/>So, JD, will this one survive?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-2311455893284845022008-07-01T14:28:00.000-04:002008-07-01T14:28:00.000-04:00If Evernham is becoming the big "star" with ESPN's...If Evernham is becoming the big "star" with ESPN's lineup, one has to wonder if Andy Petree's head will be the next to roll instead of Dr. Jerry Punch if ESPN's ratings don't pick up like Fox's did. I think Punch and Bestwick should swap roles. But ESPN is throwing Punch a bone for being so loyal after ESPN was left out of Cup racing in '01. But I read a lot of comments from people saying Punch is a nice enough guy, but kind of boring as the "play-by-play" man. I tend to agree. But it looks like Punch will get one more year and Petree will be gone before him.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20126197368958007312008-07-01T12:32:00.000-04:002008-07-01T12:32:00.000-04:00Here's the issue with the TV show and Evernham. If...Here's the issue with the TV show and Evernham. If ESPN uses him they will have to accept the fact that they will lose some viewers. Why in this competitive media environment you would want to chase away viewers is beyond me? <BR/><BR/>As other people have posted, you do have other options during a race, such as radio and you also have the option to avoid commentary programming that contains an objectionable person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-45312226084345156422008-07-01T11:38:00.000-04:002008-07-01T11:38:00.000-04:00MI fan,Not going to work with the Mayfield comment...MI fan,<BR/><BR/>Not going to work with the Mayfield comment. If you want to address the program, please do so.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-80640922495355254832008-07-01T11:36:00.000-04:002008-07-01T11:36:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-59923291677637498312008-07-01T11:34:00.000-04:002008-07-01T11:34:00.000-04:00Anon 11:26AM,I think some of your points are well ...Anon 11:26AM,<BR/><BR/>I think some of your points are well taken, but Evernham unfortunately crossed a line that the others you mentioned did not.<BR/><BR/>What most of the posters have been saying, in their own unique ways, is that the two issues of age difference and employee/employer seem to be the hot buttons.<BR/><BR/>In a transient world like NASCAR, nothing is under strain more than relationships and we have all seen the result of that with many of our favorite personalities.<BR/><BR/>This year, Evernham has decided to make a move over to the TV side of the business. That is a lot different than just being an owner who sometimes gets interviewed. Even his former Race Wizard TV series was pre-produced and "packaged" for him.<BR/><BR/>While I have been surprised by some of the fans, there was no doubt that this issue was going to chase Evernham around because of the specifics involved. <BR/><BR/>Let's use this comment to end the personal discussions on this post and ask if anyone else has opinions about the Monday NASCAR Now program?<BR/><BR/>We might see this team on the set a whole lot more as the season continues, so your feedback on the show is welcome.<BR/><BR/>Thanks,<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-89151230277150975842008-07-01T11:26:00.000-04:002008-07-01T11:26:00.000-04:00Is there any way we can declare a moratorium on th...Is there any way we can declare a moratorium on the Evernham deal? It seems everytime an article about Evernham's media performance is posted, invariably his personal life gets brought out.<BR/><BR/>Look guys and gals, public figures allow us to see what THEY want us to see. Unless you're on the inside or some bitter ex-driver spills the beans, we really do not know these people. Do you think Ken Schrader or Michael Waltrip are always happy go lucky like he appears on tv? Shoot, refer to Kyle Petty last year at Sonoma when he did the race coverage from the cockpit and said that really touching prayer on the pace lap, then race starts and he gets hit and drops an "F" bomb on live TV. It's an emotional game. <BR/><BR/>As for the person that said Crocker was the victim, well, do you really know that for sure? I mean if you've got assets why not use them? Is Danica Patrick or Milka Duno really a better driver than Sarah Fisher or in NASCAR parlance, was Shawna Robinson, Pattie Moise, or Chrissy Wallace now a better driver than say a Tammy Jo Kirk? We don't know, as the real name of the game now is marketability. Chrissy is a darn good driver, but she has a name and a better funded team than most. Danica and Milka obviously profit from their "assets" moreso than Sarah Fisher; Danica with the modeling, Milka with her Venezuelan backing (oil/Citgo) than Sarah who struggled to get a team together for Indy.<BR/><BR/>Sorry to rant and ramble, but I get really tired of the Evernham bashers who always touch on his personal life. They seldom if ever hammer on his commentary or opinions on the sport and where it has been and where it is going. This site is about media performance and critique of said media members.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44289806969959540062008-07-01T10:53:00.000-04:002008-07-01T10:53:00.000-04:00Evernham has a lot of non-fans who have no interes...Evernham has a lot of non-fans who have no interest in his personal life.<BR/><BR/>I was a non-fan before he decided to have a mid-life crisis.<BR/><BR/>I have a horrible vision of the booth next season containing Reid, Jarrett, and Evernham.<BR/><BR/>I enjoy Petree in the booth so much that I would dislike his leaving.<BR/><BR/>If Reid and Evernham show up, it will be the radio for me. Not even for Jarrett could I stomach those two all season.Lisa Hoganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15816899271672467136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-15512073671896411362008-07-01T10:28:00.000-04:002008-07-01T10:28:00.000-04:00I think it is fair to use the Crocker affair as on...I think it is fair to use the Crocker affair as one aspect to study regarding Ray's character. If you know the man somewhat, the affair is not something that would be considered out of character. Unfortunately, th ereal victim is Crocker but she was an adult and knew very well what she was getting into.<BR/><BR/> Same as the reason he mentions his times with Gordon 10 times as often as his 8 years or so of ownership. <BR/><BR/> Both are attempts to hold on to his glory days. Those days are over Ray.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-30823335016215692622008-07-01T09:00:00.000-04:002008-07-01T09:00:00.000-04:00Michigan fan,You are welcome to repost without the...Michigan fan,<BR/><BR/>You are welcome to repost without the MW comment. Thanks.<BR/><BR/>JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-57740037310201080052008-07-01T08:39:00.000-04:002008-07-01T08:39:00.000-04:00OOOOOOOO, come on folks. It's only racin. We need ...OOOOOOOO, come on folks. It's only racin. We need the crew chief/owner view. Let Ray do his job.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com