tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post7511806927223849089..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: ESPN Continues To Serve A New NASCAR RoleDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger65125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-42330647119239198552009-06-13T18:47:12.179-04:002009-06-13T18:47:12.179-04:00Oh yes those undisclosed, potential conflicts. It ...Oh yes those undisclosed, potential conflicts. It turns out that 2 high ranking people in Aegis' sports testing section used to work for WADA.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-64243611445435097632009-06-11T21:54:19.669-04:002009-06-11T21:54:19.669-04:00It sure seems that NN would have better served its...It sure seems that NN would have better served its audience if it had Dr. Leslie-Pelecky, who knows what she is talking about and can explain it well, rather than Wadler, who seems to be looking for work.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-57226351427177284772009-06-11T20:48:19.741-04:002009-06-11T20:48:19.741-04:00Where has the Mayfield coverage been the past coup...Where has the Mayfield coverage been the past couple of days? This is further proof that Mike will most likely not be back on ESPN next year. At least, that is what I hope.Nathan Bricehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07829911459870773896noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-66039652673261650592009-06-11T19:32:06.922-04:002009-06-11T19:32:06.922-04:00Just read that blog by Dr. Pelecky and it does exp...Just read that blog by Dr. Pelecky and it does explain everything. Very useful in helping us nonscientific types how the testing works.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03138762423112575914noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-64722890643280456642009-06-11T19:28:10.526-04:002009-06-11T19:28:10.526-04:00Must read on Mayfield: http://stockcarscience.com/...Must read on Mayfield: http://stockcarscience.com/blog/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-81161110066876222272009-06-11T19:03:08.280-04:002009-06-11T19:03:08.280-04:00Anonymous said...
"gretajean,
Today Diandra...Anonymous said...<br />"gretajean, <br /><br />Today Diandra Leslie-Pelecky of Stock Car Science has a great article on distinguishing Meth from legal drugs. She just puts information out, no blame game."<br /><br />and i am of the opinion that no one should be permitted to post anything about the case until a thorough reading of this explanation is done and understood! science is a beautiful thing and dr leslie-pelecky does a terrific job explaining the science behind anything and everything nascar!<br /><br />for those who aren't familiar with her work: the website is stockcarscience and she is also the author of the physics of nascar (now out in paperback.) definitely worth the read!redhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08469882559901586219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-24684696735575008062009-06-11T18:11:55.819-04:002009-06-11T18:11:55.819-04:00JD, other than 2 recent articles by David Newton, ...JD, other than 2 recent articles by David Newton, I have yet to find an article listed on Jayski that made any attempt to compare NASCAR's drug program to that of any other major racing series or sport and I have not had the time to try to find the details of the drug programs of any other sport to see which ones do and which ones do not have explicit lists of banned substances. I did see someone refer to an AP article about the IRL's program saying that the IRL does not have a list either. Since the media has shyed away from comparing NASCAR's program to that of other major sports I have to assume that NASCAR's program stacks up pretty well - otherwise the media would have made such comparison in order to bash NASCAR.<br /><br />That is why I find it so curious that no one in the NASCAR media has made any sort of reference or comparison of Mayfield's situation to that of Manny Ramirez. The reports came out within days of each other and the general sports media, including ESPN, crucified Ramirez. It would have been the perfect comparison with Mayfield's situation - unless such a comparison would show that NASCAR's program is on sound ground.<br /><br />NASCAR has grown into a billion dollar industry, but the bulk of the NASCAR media - especially newspapers - seem stuck back in the 20th century and mad at NASCAR for growing.<br /><br />Besides being a fan of Ryan McGee and his writing, I was amazed by the balance and depth of his piece on NASCAR Now.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44881525289629304662009-06-11T13:27:21.466-04:002009-06-11T13:27:21.466-04:00gretajean,
Today Diandra Leslie-Pelecky of Stock...gretajean, <br /><br />Today Diandra Leslie-Pelecky of Stock Car Science has a great article on distinguishing Meth from legal drugs. She just puts information out, no blame game.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-47938047088829739422009-06-11T13:06:07.929-04:002009-06-11T13:06:07.929-04:00Claritin has an ingredient that is used to make me...Claritin has an ingredient that is used to make meth; that's why it's under lock and key at the pharmacy. I don't have a lot of faith in NASCAR's drug test or even know if they would be aware of that. And they've used both samples instead of preserving one.gretajeannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-61076661174344605852009-06-11T13:05:48.931-04:002009-06-11T13:05:48.931-04:00I bet caffeine wouldn't be on any NASCAR list....I bet caffeine wouldn't be on any NASCAR list. It's in Coke, coffee, tea, etc. What are you going to do, put it on a list and make drivers disclose every soft drink? <br /><br /><br />But you wouldn't want a driver taking No-Doz caffeine pills right before a race. And that is the point: hire the best medical professionals to (randomly) screen blood and urine samples of participants to find things that are not supposed to be in their system. Not find things that are on a list, but find things that should not be in their system. That is the best policy, which by the way is the one NASCAR has in place.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-18563906628112760782009-06-11T13:01:45.866-04:002009-06-11T13:01:45.866-04:00Just because you participate in a specfic professi...<i>Just because you participate in a specfic profession, you don't surrender all your rightst to privacy.</i><br /><br />Again, this may be your opinion on the way things should be, but it is not the way things are. There is no law that prevents a private employer from requiring the disclosure of any and all medications, if that employer so chooses. You may find such a requirement to be restrictive and unfair, but if the employer legitimately feels that such disclosure is necessary for successful completion of job duties, then it is fair game. This has been the case for pilots, doctors, and various other professions for years. Now it is coming to NASCAR. And it is about time. If I am running side-by-side with someone at 180 into a corner, you bet your life savings I want to know if they are on flowmax, aspirin, viagra, uppers, diet pills, laxative, everything. As a sanctioning body, NASCAR has an obligation to know. This whole right to privacy thing you keep throwing around is a concept, not a law that applies to NASCAR.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-53458214456492732992009-06-11T10:49:54.758-04:002009-06-11T10:49:54.758-04:00I guess I just don't agree. All the people inv...I guess I just don't agree. All the people involved signed a contract. It's in black and white. They are not to take any illegal substances. Surely Gary Crotty, a lawyer for NASCAR, who is known in legal circles as an expert in motorsport legal theory, knows more than Wadler.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-13425279510424653032009-06-11T09:15:12.335-04:002009-06-11T09:15:12.335-04:00You guys missed the point. It does not make a diff...You guys missed the point. It does not make a difference what meds anyone is on without a list.<br /><br />Just because you participate in a specfic profession, you don't surrender all your rightst to privacy.<br /><br />That is what Wadler was saying. Without a list, like other professional sports, NASCAR is going to lose in court.<br /><br />I take a drug test like most of you, but the comparison is not the same. Drivers are employed by the race teams and are paying to participate in Sprint Cup races.<br /><br />How much information a non-fulltime employer can demand from a driver, team member or official is soon going to be very well defined.<br /><br />Wadler said NASCAR is basically wrong in their approach and called it an "unusual (drug) protocol."<br /><br />Should be interesting!<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-19791298846614847472009-06-11T01:31:37.400-04:002009-06-11T01:31:37.400-04:00When I read the story a few days ago about Mark Ma...When I read the story a few days ago about Mark Martin's back problems some years ago being so bad that he had to be lifted in and out of the car my first thought was that I hope that would not be allowed today. In F1 an injured driver is not allowed to drive again until he can demonstrate that he can get out of his car in less than a specified number of seconds.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-75886491108792285702009-06-11T01:07:03.975-04:002009-06-11T01:07:03.975-04:00Viagra can not be taken by pilots 6 hrs before fly...Viagra can not be taken by pilots 6 hrs before flying as it makes it difficult to see between green and blue lights, IMPORTANT lights on instrument panels. This was disclosed years ago, thus this is why FAA needs to know EVERYTHING.<br /><br />Also, not to split hairs here but NASCAR is so darned concerned about drugs causing IMPAIRMENTS? Some meds cause light headedness, low blood pressure.<br /><br />Um,, if you have the flu or stomach ailments and get dehydrated, your reflexes become VERY OFF. Your blood pressure bottoms out, you get tachycardia, weak and sluggish thinking.Thus i am flummoxed why so many drivers can not only start races when fighting the flu but STAY in the car the entire race. <br /><br />Sleep deprivation is proven to slow reflexes the SAME as if driving under the influence of alcohol.<br /><br />Many folks are TOTALLY unaware of medicine side effects EVEN AT NORMAL DOSES, whether prescribed or over the counter.<br /><br />And again, since NASCAR makes up most rules on a whim, they need specificities. And if the med is of a personal nature, NASCAR needs to say WHY they need to know (as in the temporary color blindness of Viagra issue for pilots)<br /><br />But while NASCAR is wanting to always scream keep the drivers safe, NOBODY has EVER said in the booth that so and so is driving with the flu today AND ALSO A DANGER ON THE TRACK. :)<br /><br />So while they are combing over side effects of many drugs legal, perhaps drivers need to have reflex testing before being ALLOWED to drive if they have the flu.<br /><br />The longer this case drags on, the more out of touch NASCAR is looking with it's lack of explicitness.<br /><br />Folks say if you are innocent, you don't need to worry???<br /><br />Spoken like a person who knows so vary LITTLE about the human body and how it works under it's own influences/reactions.<br /><br />I sure would like this puzzle to end.<br /><br />Oh, and when my late brother in law went to medical school in the late 50' and early 60's, they had access to speed for interns all the time. There was a giant jar in the lounge where they could pop uppers. I forget the name and he is not here to ask. Back then THAT was acceptable. Not today. Sadly, many years of medical school led to cardiomyopathy damage from the speed and he later needed a heart transplant. We had him another 10 years after that...so you never know what is safe today, can mess you up years from now but I meander off the path again.<br /><br />Thus as we become more enlightened, NASCAR seriously needs to rethink letting sick drivers drive under the influence of a severe flu!<br /><br />That's just as scary as somebody under antihistamine which I HOPE is not allowed before driving.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-39702948638084569932009-06-10T23:01:47.404-04:002009-06-10T23:01:47.404-04:00NASCAR isn't the government. A driver or crew...NASCAR isn't the government. A driver or crewman isn't forced to earn a living working at NASCAR sanctioned events. If a person wants to keep their drug use private, they are free to choose another profession. There aren't any rights violated. If you don't like the way you are being treated, just go work for someone else.<br /><br />NASCAR's open ended drug list is no different than the Tour de France keeping specimens indefinatly, just in case a new test comes around for a banned substance. <br /><br />Fully disclosing every little thing that gets checked is impossible when cheaters continue to push the limits and try to find loopholes in any rules set down. The rules need to be broad enough to catch and properly penalize a driver that comes up with a new way to cheat for which a test just hasn't been developed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-82915949205729004412009-06-10T22:50:34.490-04:002009-06-10T22:50:34.490-04:00JD, there are also questions of drug interactions,...JD, there are also questions of drug interactions, and maybe taking 2 medicines within a certain time frame might expose a driver or a tire carrier to passing out. As I recall the Flowmax commercials include a caution to not take Flowmax if you take nitrates (I believe) and that a person might be light-headed in the first 12 hours after beginning to take Flowmax. A combination of prescribed medicines that might be fine for someone working in an office might cause a hazardous situation for someone under unusual stress.<br /><br />It still intrigues me that I have seen no articles comparing Mayfield's situation and NASCAR's program to that of Manny Ramirez and MLB, which I find especially strange given their close proximity in time. Except for what Ryan McGee, in particular, and David Newton have done this month, it seems to me that the NASCAR media have at best been sloppy in their reporting.<br /><br />I have no idea how many substances there are, but WADA's list is a 9 page long listing of chemicals, and that is not a 9 page long, columnar listing, but 9 pages of paragraphs of banned substances with only 1 page devoted to illegal drugs.<br /><br />Maybe after NASCAR's recent history of settling lawsuits out of court Jeremy thought he could buffalo NASCAR into settling if he put up a fight.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-84797783552995762462009-06-10T22:18:32.672-04:002009-06-10T22:18:32.672-04:00I agreee that no one can be forced to disclose wha...I agreee that no one can be forced to disclose what medications they take. What makes a diffference in this case, is that the affected NASCAR personnel have signed a documment that says they will disclose every medication they take. Its their free will to sign.<br /><br />It is not true that no employer has that right to know. When my son wanted to become a commercial pilot, he had to disclose everything he took. <br /><br />He also took a physical exam, they discovered he had cycle cell animia (trace). We were shocked! No symptoms. We are Americans of Greek decent. <br /><br />With all the physicals he had taken in his life, (NCAA athlete, ROTC, military service, avid Alpine skier, been a blood donor, it had never been discovered. <br /><br />Apparently if you have cycle cell anemia, it affects your brain in high altitudes. FAA would have wanted to know if he was taking something to mask the disease. Also, you cannot be a diabetic, bipolar, etc. By the medications a person takes, they can tell if there could be a safety problem, especially if the applicant is trying to mask it. <br /><br />As with NASCAR, the FAA is only interested in safety, not trying to eliminate the pool of applicants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-57537160609334991652009-06-10T22:05:26.704-04:002009-06-10T22:05:26.704-04:00You can't force those folks to disclose all th...<i>You can't force those folks to disclose all their adult medical issues simply to change a tire. </i><br /><br />Says who? I am not trying to be flippant, but while what you say above makes common sense, it is not in fact the law. As far as I know, NASCAR is a privately held corporation and can set whatever standards it wants. It can hire and employees at will and it can require that drivers consult with a particular physician. Disclosing your drugs to a physician is not an invasion of privacy. And while you and I can joke about Viagra, neither of us are fully versed on the physiological implications. It could well be that NASCAR wouldn't want a driver using Viagra within a certain time frame around a race because it is known to dramatically increase heart rate and alter blood flow. If NASCAR deems that taking a Viagra the night before a race might affect performance adversely in any way - then they can certainly require the disclosure of the drug. Again, these are not federal employees and this is a private corporation. They can set whatever rules they please and the drivers who disagree are free to choose not to be employed by an organization that has such rules. But there is a difference between distasteful, which I might even agree a policy requiring this kind of disclosure is, and illegal, which this is not. <br /><br />Finally, I don't see the drivers objecting to the policy. They seem pretty much in fully support, because they know they are not at risk. It doesn't sound to me like Mayfield disclosed his meds as was required, so even if there was no meth and only those substances he seems to have not gotten the point of that big important meeting he attended in which all drivers were told how serious NASCAR was ahead of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-15848939033475015832009-06-10T21:33:30.504-04:002009-06-10T21:33:30.504-04:00Anon 9:01,
Are you kidding me? That is at the hea...Anon 9:01,<br /><br />Are you kidding me? That is at the heart of this entire issue.<br /><br />Why does NASCAR need to know if you use Viagra or need Flomax to pee? If you have a Cipro and Flagyl cocktail for your diverticulitis when it flares up, does it affect your driving? <br /><br />If you need any of the hundreds of other drugs that have nothing to do with performance, alertness or the ability to perform a designated task at the track, what business does NASCAR have asking you to disclose it?<br /><br />That is the point Dr. Wadler was trying to make on the show. Without a list of the substances that affect your performance in this sport and are banned, the world is tilted toward NASCAR in a very illegal manner.<br /><br />Personal issues rule this discussion because between the drivers, officials and licensed team members there are thousands of folks. <br /><br />You can't force those folks to disclose all their adult medical issues simply to change a tire. <br /><br />This is going to be really interesting in a couple of weeks.<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-17855383701814925742009-06-10T21:05:30.893-04:002009-06-10T21:05:30.893-04:00Also, NASCAR Now did Mayfield one potential disser...Also, NASCAR Now did Mayfield one potential disservice -- not all methamphetamines are crytal meth. These types of drugs are frequently pills. ESPN has done a lot of stories about how methamphetamines were used like crazy and commonplace in baseball in the 1990s. Most locker rooms would have two coffees brewing, one marked "unleaded" was just coffee and the one marked "leaded" was spiked with methamphetamines. It would help tired players get through a game and keep their focus for the full three hours when they were otherwise tired or prone to their fatigue affecting performance. Sadly, these were incredibly common in most baseball clubhouses recently. When you say "crystal meth" you are talking about a recreational drug that you smoke out of a glass pipe and get wasted on - way to wasted to even start a car, let alone make a lap. That's different from methamphetamines in pill form which can be used simply as "uppers". I'm not saying Mayfield took one or the other or both, but Nascar Now kinda lumped them together in a way that didn't draw much distinction.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-26858203561063251562009-06-10T21:01:48.479-04:002009-06-10T21:01:48.479-04:00Privacy issues? There are no privacy issues with a...Privacy issues? There are no privacy issues with an independent employer. The drivers have an obligation to prove they are clean, and NASCAR can enforce any policy they wish to that effect. <br /><br />And let's not forget, drivers have been told that over-the-counter and legitimate perscription medicitions are permissible, they just need to be cleared by NASCAR. These are not going to trigger a test, per Dr. Black. <br /><br />If you are a driver and you are clean and by the book, yeah, maybe you have to call Dr. Black if you are on vacation and decide "wow, I have a really bad cold, I wonder if I can take NyQuil" or maybe if you are working out heavy in the gym and are interested in some protein supplement or other workout shake, you run it by Dr. Black. But I don't see how a list affects this. What if the guy is breathing glue fumes? And what if that isn't on the list? Then you have other issues. You can't have a list cover everything in the world, because an abuser that this is designs to uncover will only find a work-around. <br /><br />There is no privacy invasion unless you have something you are trying to hide. People seem to forget: these drug tests and this drug policy is not to trap the innocent or suspend the unsuspecting sneezer. It is to find out who is using something they shouldn't be using on the track.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-76043953628264728652009-06-10T20:14:00.176-04:002009-06-10T20:14:00.176-04:00I've never used meth but, I've been around...I've never used meth but, I've been around people who have. Tweakers as they are known are nervous, twitchy and paranoid to name some of the symptoms. There have been those "Faces of Meth" shown on TV and the internet. Not pretty. <br /><br />Meth is not some drug you dabble in. It is highly addictive. I still can't believe JM would get mixed up with it.<br /><br />What I don't understand is NASCARs counter suit. How do they know JM was using before the dirty drug test? Yeah, they can speculate. It's like getting caught drunk driving. We pretty much know it's not the first time driving under the influence, just the first time they got caught. But, the cops can't ticket you on that suspicion for those priors. <br /><br />If NASCAR had their suspicions of JM, why didn't they test him before May? Or, after those crashes? Heck, Sam Hornish in 2008 or David Ragan in 2007 would've been tested every weekend.<br /><br />Maybe AEGIS is in too deep to turn back now. I'd like to think they doubled and tripled checked the results before it was found out by those at BSPN.<br /><br />Time will tell.Dothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15701502016993312530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-50259738194290344922009-06-10T20:05:52.802-04:002009-06-10T20:05:52.802-04:00what I am still curious about is this: Yes initial...what I am still curious about is this: Yes initial drugs just name a basic category and allegedly the second one more exact.<br /><br />Yet, why was Mayfield allow to qualify on Friday for the next race if there was such STRONG concern.<br /><br />Meth users usually have major personality changes, too. Where as ADD meds or asthma meds, etc, would not necessarily make differents in moods except sometimes jittery or moody. Excess coffee in some people can do the same.<br /><br />Also there is an OTC herb that has sedative properties in it and last I hear it is not even ON a drug list. So how do companies KNOW what to look for if it is something obscure?<br /><br />I realize that is off topic but this really can get complicated.<br /><br />And honestly, denial is one thing but with the horrible ~~and deserved~~ rep meth has, why would Mayfield continue to deny and threaten lawsuit?<br /><br />Then again, I remember talented but insane Pete Rose denying he bet on baseball for about 18 years, so . . .Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-13322130997557701502009-06-10T20:05:48.593-04:002009-06-10T20:05:48.593-04:00Anon 7:34PM,
What Dr. Wadler was saying on the sh...Anon 7:34PM,<br /><br />What Dr. Wadler was saying on the show was that without a list there is no baseline to establish a program.<br /><br />NASCAR does not have the right to know every prescription medication taken by every member of the officials, teams and drivers.<br /><br />Privacy issues abound here. Why should NASCAR know someone is being temporarily treated for something which has nothing to do with the sport at all?<br /><br />The other pro sports have lists and that was Wadler's point. Hopefully, NASCAR Now will continue to expand on the issues that you and I have raised.<br /><br />JDDaly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.com