tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post775085629697852096..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: Daugherty Talks NBA vs. NASCAR On Drug IssuesDaly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger52125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-58375434651263600962009-05-22T11:43:57.247-04:002009-05-22T11:43:57.247-04:00Aegis was one of the labs that tested the Canadian...Aegis was one of the labs that tested the Canadian Olympic runner (forgot his name), and Aegis prevailed. The guy lost his Olympic gold medal. He did not sue Aegis after he lost his medal. <br /><br />I've not seen a single lab, or famous athlete say they reversed Aegis Lab tests. If there were so many, where are they?elena, chicagonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-31689055881303201782009-05-22T11:15:45.030-04:002009-05-22T11:15:45.030-04:00Upchurch....
Please don't compare NASCAR drivers ...Upchurch....<br /><br />Please don't compare NASCAR drivers to the dopers who overpopulate the world of cycling. The Tour De France is a field of performance-enchancement junkies. To compare that to the clean-cut lifestyle of NASCAR is a joke.<br /><br />2nd, Aegis hasn't ruined anyone's lives. They have risen to the top of their field by being the best - the most accurate, most trusted testing company. That is why they are the largest in the world. We don't need an independent lab because Aegis is independent. The bias might come from NASCAR, not Aegis. GEEZ. <br /><br />It is simple: They looked at Mayfield's sample and they CLEARLY saw something that shouldn't be there. If they hadn't, the lab wouldn't have dug in their heels and put their entire decades-long reputation on the line.<br /><br />I notice the other two tested positive at the same time as Mayfield aren't claiming shennanigans.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-47929580161491382342009-05-22T09:24:32.210-04:002009-05-22T09:24:32.210-04:00Lab results aren't infallible. Ask any of the con...Lab results aren't infallible. Ask any of the convicted inmates who were exonerated twenty some-odd years later when files were reopened and tested again for forensic evidence that had been incorrectly tested originally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-3455160548022016942009-05-22T06:20:07.118-04:002009-05-22T06:20:07.118-04:00Anyone that willingly throws public tantrums (and ...Anyone that willingly throws public tantrums (and their bosses under the bus) and cost themselves jobs that pay more per week than most people make in a year, obviously have mental illness issues. (Gee, I wonder, would I like to drive a truck for $40-$50 thousand a year or drive a race car for $50 thousand a week? Daaaaah....) Ladies and gentlemen, may I introduce to you... Mr. Jeremy Mayfield!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-41240964026845755582009-05-22T02:17:39.370-04:002009-05-22T02:17:39.370-04:00I obviously am not familiar with drug testing proc...I obviously am not familiar with drug testing procedures. It does seem to me that if the media is going to attack NASCAR's testing program, it has some obligation to compare or contrast it with what is supposed to be a "good" program. As a reader I don't think it should be necessary for me to go research the program used by the IRL, F1, ALMS, NHRA, MLB, NFL, or MLB to see how they are similar or different. Since I've seen no one in the media refer to any of such programs, it seems resonable to assume that the media is more interested in the story than the facts. Maybe NASCAR's testing program is crap, but I've seen no one in the media give me any basis to presume so - and since no one in the media has discussed Aegis' track record, I must assume that Aegis has a good track record that would tend to invalidate the media's criticism of Aegis.<br /><br />As I recall NASCAR had a big news conference last year to announce the new drug testing program. If all the media sat right there on there hands and did not ask for any details - does that mean they were uninterested in the details? I don't recall reading any reports that NASCAR was asked and refused to disclose the details of the program, but I could be wrong - just ask my ex-wife.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-68515539257053882732009-05-22T01:30:16.772-04:002009-05-22T01:30:16.772-04:00Read more carefully, "Anonymous", notice I said "D...Read more carefully, "Anonymous", notice I said "Dr. Black's protestations notwithstanding". Dr Black is in denial and defending his profession (drug testing) from its long history of ruining lives with false-positive results. It is in his best interest that drug testing is believed to be inviolable, which it certainly is not. You can look it up (start with bicycle racing.) It's not that I believe Mayfield (I've gone on record here that I don't care for Mayfield) but that I disbelieve Dr. Black. <br /><br />For example, was Mayfield's second, "B", sample sent to a lab unaffiliated with Dr. Black's lab for testing? If not, the whole procedure is suspect. Even if so, another lab can make the same incorrect conclusion because of the industry's cocky "we are never wrong" attitude.<br /><br />Like many others discussing this topic, perhaps you are letting your dislike for Mayfield or his recent behavior color your opinions on the topic.Robert Upchurchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-40985880541400003802009-05-22T00:43:52.343-04:002009-05-22T00:43:52.343-04:00Well why would Dr. Black say that the substance Ma...Well why would Dr. Black say that the substance Mayfield tested positive for cannot be falsely triggered by Claritin if it was a drug that could be? WAKE UP.<br /><br />I don't think they are treading on any thin ice at all. I think they know exactly what they got -- they busted a drug user who hasn't stopped lying since he was caught. Crazy that everyone believes the liar just because he drives fast.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-21622676130453682272009-05-22T00:10:08.941-04:002009-05-22T00:10:08.941-04:00OK, now on to the drugs. Most everyone is convinc...OK, now on to the drugs. Most everyone is convinced that Mayfield was caught with a "recreational" drug in his system. If that drug was Meth, then NASCAR, its lab and Dr. Black are treading on shaky ground. Decongestant drugs (like Claritin D) can and have given false positives for Meth, Dr. Black's protestations notwithstanding.Robert Upchurchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-85270733866088074842009-05-22T00:08:29.764-04:002009-05-22T00:08:29.764-04:00Why do they need a list? NASCAR has already said t...Why do they need a list? NASCAR has already said that this isn't a case of over-the-counter medication or cold medicine, the lab has already said there was no trace of Claritin and the alibi is bogus, and every single driver has a phone number (a cell phone number no less) that they can call if they need to ingest something. That's the policy. It seems pretty clear to me. It also seems to me that even if Mayfield took these over-the-counter drugs and not some party drug (although NASCAR has pretty much all but said it was recreational, per Jenna Fryer) that he STILL violated NASCAR policy by not using the cell phone number ahead of time. Every single driver to a one has said that when the policy was put into place months ago it was clear as day that NASCAR was serious. So if Mayfield didn't follow the policy even on a benign drug, then I have no sympathy. And what's more NASCAR has said that it wasn't benign. Like everyone, I want to know... but I can also put two-and-two together. <br /><br />Stop defending Mayfield, er, I mean "Fonzie"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-3192095759439336882009-05-22T00:00:28.341-04:002009-05-22T00:00:28.341-04:00Then about Mayfield having a cameraman recording h...Then about Mayfield having a cameraman recording him at NASCAR's offices (and Saturday night in the infield at Charlotte). That is a tool, most likely implemented by his attorney(s), to capture any confrontations that might occur between him and NASCAR or its agents. The reason? If there is more "he said, she said", the recording will be there to document it. If nothing happens, that footage will likely be scrapped. I don't expect to see any reality shows come out of it.Robert Upchurchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-88062421140364763752009-05-21T23:46:03.406-04:002009-05-21T23:46:03.406-04:00Many of you are looking in the wrong direction. T...Many of you are looking in the wrong direction. This really isn't the "Mayfield story", it is about NASCAR and the flaws in its drug policy. Mayfield's case is just the one that brought it to light. It would have happened eventually. Many of you are getting upset at Mayfield, various reporters (Marty's <I>hair?</I>...c'mon now), and lawyers and it is misplaced. <br /><br />Richard, in his last post, said: "much of the blame rests with the media for failing to do the work to analyze the program when it was introduced and point out its faults." Not true. That is the problem...there was nothing publicly released that they could analyze. And there still isn't. NASCAR is and always will be tight with information they don't want to share. They have a monopoly, which gives them a lot of power to behave any way they wish. That's where their credibility is called into question. Just because Hinton seems to have an axe to grind doesn't mean he is wrong about this.<br /><br />I don't believe NASCAR will (or should) release the substances anyone has tested positive for...that is a private matter between them and the tested person (until it hits public court records, of course.) But NASCAR had better adjust their policy to provide a list to participants (not the public or the media) so they have guidelines to live their lives. If they don't, I believe a court will eventually force them to do so. A credibility issue for NASCAR? You bet!Robert Upchurchnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10755995263517744422009-05-21T21:37:41.269-04:002009-05-21T21:37:41.269-04:00If I were a NASCAR driver I would much rather rely...If I were a NASCAR driver I would much rather rely on Aegis telling me I could take something than my reading of the list or my doctor. Confirmation by fax or e-mail could be obtained in minutes - and I suspect most of the drivers have assistants who could handle contacting Aegis.<br /><br />There is something a little circular it seems to me in Hinton's argument that NASCAR's credibility is declining - because Hinton and the NASCAR bashers are writing it is?<br /><br />In my view the worst part of this episode is the media's trying to make it a circus and their grossly lazy, incomplete reporting. If the NASCAR program is so deficient, where was the reporting last year when the program was introduced and where is the analysis of other abuse programs to demonstrate the deficiencies. If the NASCAR program is so clearly deficient, then much of the blame rests with the media for failing to do the work to analyze the program when it was introduced and point out its faults.Richard in N.C.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-86949581313197340922009-05-21T18:47:02.936-04:002009-05-21T18:47:02.936-04:00I thought Brad was a good touch and put the situat...I thought Brad was a good touch and put the situation in some perspective, not much but some. (didn't know smoking a little dope was OK with the NBA, interesting don't you think). <br />As someone who works in the health care field, verbal isn't good enough, if it wasn't written it wasn't done. That's how Jeremy can possibly get around some of this, his lawyer can argue that since he wasn't notified in writing he wasn't notified at all especially if the substance he was vebally told was some long chemical name. I can't wait for the race this weekend perhap we can have some drama or other and that can be the topic instead, this is all getting really old.Newracefanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16324764517098771035noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-20854166364172441072009-05-21T18:43:26.757-04:002009-05-21T18:43:26.757-04:00It was interesting today, that now that we know th...It was interesting today, that now that we know that Jeremy has the drug in question on the positive test, ESPN is no loger beating the drums asking NASCAR to reveal it.<br /><br />Why doesn't ESPN think it's an important issue any more?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-22902123119459286362009-05-21T18:03:40.856-04:002009-05-21T18:03:40.856-04:00Somebody wisecracked Jeremy is wanting to do a rea...<B>Somebody wisecracked Jeremy is wanting to do a reality show. Sounds like it with some of the filmed bits he has done,but TPTB in NASCAR would never let that see the light of day.</B>NASCAR would have no say in what he shoots or airs, as long as it is not done at ISC or SMI tracks. Mayfield is not a NASCAR employee; he can produce whatever show he wants.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10914973726760201082009-05-21T17:57:48.802-04:002009-05-21T17:57:48.802-04:00I read Mayfield met with NASCAR today and the meet...I read Mayfield met with NASCAR today and the meeting was cordial but no closer to resolving. He is taking legal action.<br /><br />the weird thing that struck me is his wife dropped him off..and when she came to pick him up, a CAMERA MAN got out of the car and filmed the whole picking him up thing? WTH??<br /><br />Either Jeremy is the biggest idiot, or there is some huge missing piece in the puzzle that might could possibly maybe shed some light on this issue.<br /><br />Somebody wisecracked Jeremy is wanting to do a reality show. Sounds like it with some of the filmed bits he has done,but TPTB in NASCAR would never let that see the light of day.Sophiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07789033556426951026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-7783294192224445662009-05-21T15:37:47.443-04:002009-05-21T15:37:47.443-04:00I remember Biffle saying he wasn't clear if the pr...I remember Biffle saying he wasn't clear if the prescription his doctor gave him after his boat-dock-fall was going to show up as a banned substance, so he didn't take it. Clearly, Biffle didn't call anyone and say "is this okay?" And he's no dummy. He chose pain over prescription. <br /><br />A long list of chemical names is standard when providing a list of banned substances. You show it to your doctor and ask if the prescription is going to show up under any of these names. Not a big deal. I wonder how much Dr. Black is charging every time a driver calls with a question? I'll bet he isn't free.<br /><br />For a society that uses as many legal OTC pills and prescriptions as ours, almost as the norm, I don't think many people give much thought to how they'll show up in a random drug test - even smart people. Not a Mayfield supporter here. If I were driving, I'd want a list of banned substances.<br />I'm with Ryan Newman's camp on this one.Tracy Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14361101058670921686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-23605132511794058462009-05-21T12:29:54.703-04:002009-05-21T12:29:54.703-04:00Well, know that Jeremy and his lawyer have the tox...Well, know that Jeremy and his lawyer have the tox report, the media can ask them what drug was on the positive result.<br /><br />For those who think NASCAR should do it, I think why? You don't trust NASCAR to tell the truth, so why ask?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67238581718154862052009-05-21T11:32:21.927-04:002009-05-21T11:32:21.927-04:00I find it comical that the drivers and so many oth...I find it comical that the drivers and so many other folks want to see a list of the banned drugs. I've been employed for years in a field where I had to get a drug test to get a job and was subject to random drug tests. We got a list. It was very, very long and full of chemical names. Very long chemical names. I'd be willing to guess most if not all drivers and media types would not have a clue what they were looking at if they were given a list. And I don't think most drivers have all day to look up the chemical names of drugs in a PDR. Face it, a lot of the drivers are not the sharpest pencils in the box. They would not have a clue what was on the list if you gave them one. <br /><br />I'm not a Mayfield fan or a big supporter of NASCAR. Lord knows, they've both shot themselves in the foot in the past. But I'll side with NASCAR on this one. They have a policy and they enforced it. It's Mayfield's job to prove his innocence. IMO<br /><br />The fix for this is simple. Don't take prescribed drugs or OTC drugs without checking with Dr. Black first. End of story.Vincehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15530553847645526841noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-1049350653171592912009-05-21T11:25:08.963-04:002009-05-21T11:25:08.963-04:00Kasey Kahne has taken his cue from Johnson, clearl...<I>Kasey Kahne has taken his cue from Johnson, clearly. Sure, right now he's not taking any meds, but what if he's hurt (as Biffle was in his fall from the boat dock)? What if he takes Viagra? What if he takes... the list could go on and on, and if you have to call Dr.Black's office every time you get a prescription or something OTC, what kind of a mess is that?</I>Yeah, you have to take Dr. Black's office. That's the policy. It may seem like "a pain," but he's a professional athlete, and these guys (in all sports) are aware of every single thing they put in their bodies. His attitude doesn't seem to be from JJ and it doesn't seem unusual or reckless. He's clean. He doesn't have to worry. If he has a cough and takes cough medicine, NASCAR HAS ALREADY SAID IT IS FINE. Now, if he has a cough and takes cocaine, that's a problem. Got it, Jeremy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-28171947261855994842009-05-21T11:08:41.841-04:002009-05-21T11:08:41.841-04:00Good for Daugherty for talking about this sensibly...Good for Daugherty for talking about this sensibly. <br /> <br />When Jimmie Johnson said in his interview earlier in the week re: Mayfield that he didn't care, it didn't affect him, I was stunned. Kasey Kahne has taken his cue from Johnson, clearly. Sure, right now he's not taking any meds, but what if he's hurt (as Biffle was in his fall from the boat dock)? What if he takes Viagra? What if he takes... the list could go on and on, and if you have to call Dr.Black's office every time you get a prescription or something OTC, what kind of a mess is that?<br /><br />Taking the tack that "I don't care, it's not about me or my life" isn't what you'd expect from a three time champ.<br /><br />I can't imagine not knowing what's going to get you in trouble. That's why we have laws - they give society a groundwork for civilized behavior. You run a red light, you know you're in the wrong. <br /><br />That said, Mayfield and Nascar have made this into a huge mess that's ruining my perception of both.Tracy Dhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14361101058670921686noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-64937456834901906092009-05-21T11:07:41.843-04:002009-05-21T11:07:41.843-04:00By the way, medical experts, it is HIPAA (Health I...By the way, medical experts, it is HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-10998859443624939742009-05-21T11:05:38.987-04:002009-05-21T11:05:38.987-04:00"NASCAR" and "transparency" don't belong in the sa..."NASCAR" and "transparency" don't belong in the same sentence.<br /><br />What other sport doesn't allow anyone to see the rules unless they pay to play?<br /><br />They penalize Michael Waltrip for cheating on his fuel. What did he actually do? We still don't know, two year later.<br /><br />They penalize Mayfield for substance abuse. What did he actually do? Don't count on ever finding out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-44992231914081938312009-05-21T10:37:39.486-04:002009-05-21T10:37:39.486-04:00As someone who deals with HIPAA on a daily basis, ...As someone who deals with HIPAA on a daily basis, Mayfield could authorize the lab to release this test result if he wanted with a written request. It appears he doesn't really want it out there, and is still agitating to get his way (imagine Mayfield agitating to get his way). <br /><br />I'm beginning to think he's guilty because of this weird behavior. The doctor has said Mayfield was told multiple times what he tested for, and Mayfield was still saying, they never told me. <br /><br />NASCAR can't comment on his test until he releases the HIPAA waiver, and I think he's the one dragging this out. It's too bad too, because I thought the formation of one-car teams this year was such a potential positive story for the sport, and even if his team moves on without him behind the wheel, you know they are getting pounded with this daily and it's really not fair to them.<br /><br />In listening to the Jimmie Johnson on Dave Despain's show Sunday, he said drivers all had baseline tests done in which they were encouraged to submit every prescription they took, he said he included every vitamin, everything, so I'm gonna guess Mayfield already told the test clinic he was taking Claritin D for allergies. Mayfield is just looking more and more like someone with a problem they are trying to cover up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-59572959843452362572009-05-21T09:59:44.358-04:002009-05-21T09:59:44.358-04:00Thanks for the heads up JD! I'm not home from wor...Thanks for the heads up JD! I'm not home from work by 5:00 and all I have is an old fashioned VCR. <br /><br />Also, I think in one of Jenna Fryer's articles, she said that those who are subject to testing by NASCAR sign a release stating that NASCAR, at their discretion, reserves the right to release the results. If true, I would think there would be no liability issue. Also, if true, seems to me that NASCAR could have put an end to this story a long time ago by just releasing Jeremy's results. Can't for the life of me figure out why they didn't.<br /><br />Thanks again JD!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com