tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post8033762459342109416..comments2024-03-05T06:32:37.180-05:00Comments on The Daly Planet: In-Progress At Martinsville: NEXTEL Cup Qualifying On ESPN2Daly Planet Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comBlogger68125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6795918719728738622007-10-20T10:51:00.000-04:002007-10-20T10:51:00.000-04:00Interesting that Speed TV is honest and plays well...Interesting that Speed TV is honest and plays well with other networks unlike ESPN which deceived us about the tape delayed practice session.<BR/><BR/>I do not believe Speed can contractually start NASCAR live show until qualifying ended.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-17565825226626598242007-10-19T20:34:00.000-04:002007-10-19T20:34:00.000-04:00The Nascar Live scheduled for 6 eastern did not st...The Nascar Live scheduled for 6 eastern did not start until 6:30 when ESPN finished qualifying coverage. Steve Byrnes came on from the Speed Stage at 5 and let everyone know the change in schedule and announced what programming would fill the half hour.Haus14https://www.blogger.com/profile/06348382223779617438noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-22381469220823567582007-10-19T20:13:00.000-04:002007-10-19T20:13:00.000-04:00steve,great job. maybe we should have a contest so...steve,<BR/><BR/>great job. maybe we should have a contest soon to see if we can create a good name for that "style" other than TiVo.<BR/><BR/>In the old days, we used to call it "dip to black" coverage. We would finish a segment, throw to commercial, dip quickly to "black" to mark the tape, and then come back up and...cue the talent!<BR/><BR/>That is how we did a lot of the old tape delay races for ESPN back in the 1980's.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-63463325409978954662007-10-19T19:37:00.000-04:002007-10-19T19:37:00.000-04:00Bristol is a prime example of TIVO style programmi...Bristol is a prime example of TIVO style programming.<BR/><BR/>With it only taking 15 seconds to run a lap there, if they were live and went to commercial you would miss 5 or 6 cars before they came back live.<BR/>I always listen to TV coverage on my scanner while at Bristol. They will say, "we're going to commercial and will be right back", wait a few seconds and say "we're back" and continue with the car currently on the track. They actually never go to commercial they just 'act' like it to edit in the commercials as the qualifying airs. That's why on your TV the cars are behind compared to your computer.<BR/><BR/>Qualifying all the cars may only take 30-45 minutes but when they add in the commercials the show will last an hour or more.<BR/><BR/>Did I explain that right John?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-11864103606516877782007-10-19T19:15:00.000-04:002007-10-19T19:15:00.000-04:00stricklinfan,thanks for the info. please call me J...stricklinfan,<BR/><BR/>thanks for the info. please call me JD.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-39533342095283987182007-10-19T19:08:00.000-04:002007-10-19T19:08:00.000-04:00Mr. Daly,Here are the facts I've gathered:- NASCAR...Mr. Daly,<BR/><BR/>Here are the facts I've gathered:<BR/><BR/>- NASCAR Live aired at 2:30 (according to speedtv.com)<BR/><BR/>- Cup practice was supposed to run from 1-2:30 but was cut short by rain, Cup qualifying was moved from 3:30 to 4:40 (Jayski)<BR/><BR/>- Truck practice was scheduled from 2:40-4:00 and held close to schedule (Jayski), one user earlier said it ended at 4:18<BR/><BR/>- when ESPN2 came on the air at 3:30 the Cup cars were practicing (my DVR), so obviously they started taping it sometime between 1 and 2:30, probably closer to 2:30 since the session was nearly over. They must have also taped the rain fill portion of their broadcast earlier in the day, because the trucks practiced until 4:18 (according to one of the site's posters) and were never in the background of ESPN's rain fill show that aired from 3:30 - 4:40 or so.stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-61212883211481352722007-10-19T19:01:00.000-04:002007-10-19T19:01:00.000-04:00Thanks for the info. So this is why the NASCAR Now...Thanks for the info. So this is why the NASCAR Now show is on late. It will be interesting to see what they show at 7PM.Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-84035223610168126372007-10-19T18:55:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:55:00.000-04:00As I mentioned earlier I didn't see NASCAR Live be...As I mentioned earlier I didn't see NASCAR Live because I wasn't home, but according to other posters NASCAR Live would have been going on at the same time the taped portion of ESPN's qualifying show was being taped. So both shows would have been recorded at the same time, with Speed's airing live and ESPN2's aired tape-delayed at 3:30. These users claimed truck practice was going on live while ESPN was on the air with their Cup practice coverage so most of their show was taped from earlier in the day.<BR/><BR/>You'll have to ask someone else for that confirmation but that's the way I understood it.stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-91505234053235666052007-10-19T18:49:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:49:00.000-04:00stricklinfan,were ESPN and SPEED on-the-air live a...stricklinfan,<BR/><BR/>were ESPN and SPEED on-the-air live at the same time?Daly Planet Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13834588435004023666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-79164672252561014902007-10-19T18:44:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:44:00.000-04:00My Review of ESPN2's Friday Coverage at Martinsvil...My Review of ESPN2's Friday Coverage at Martinsville:<BR/><BR/>Qualifying: B+<BR/><BR/><B>Praises</B><BR/>- used the TiVo style format<BR/><BR/>- good job following the go-or-go situation throughout the session (who was locked in, on the bubble, and bumped from the field after every go-or-go-home car ran)<BR/><BR/>- the announcers focused on the on-track action instead of joking around with their guests like it was an ESPN version of Trackside<BR/><BR/><B>Critiques</B><BR/>- the TiVo style is great, but ESPN still needs to clean it up a little bit. For the second week in a row we missed both of Johnny Sauter's laps. We also missed the entire run of Bill Elliott and Elliott Sadler's first lap. There is no excuse for this happening with the TiVo style format in place. We should see every driver's complete qualifying run, not 45 of the 48 drivers' runs. We also got a full-screen camera shot of Jeff Burton standing on pit road while Kasey Kahne was finishing his lap, which was a small blunder by the guys in the truck.<BR/><BR/>- When a go-or-go homer is on the track the announcer should tell us what position he needs to reach to either lock himself in or bump someone else out of the field. Too often we hear the ESPN announcers say something like "Driver X needs to run a 20.460 to make the race and bump driver Y out of the race". That information doesn't help us while we're watching the driver's run. All wee can see is his projected position upon concluding his lap, so why not give us the POSITION he needs to reach so we can follow the drama of whether or not the current driver will make it in? Speed uses the green line on the position slider, which is immensely helpful in situations like that.<BR/><BR/>Rain Fill / "Practice" coverage: F-<BR/><BR/>- this was apparently taped 2 or 3 hours before it aired but was presented as being live<BR/><BR/>- We saw like 5 minutes of on-track action before the session ended. Unless rain halted the session prematurely this was a joke to only show that much of the session and present it as "practice coverage from Martinsville".<BR/><BR/>- It took over an hour for ESPN to show us any speeds from the practice session they were supposedly on the air to cover. When they finally did show us the speeds, they only showed us where the Chasers ended up in practice. They completely ignored the go-or-go situation, as well as every other non-Chaser in the field.<BR/><BR/>- They wasted our time with taped features like "the race to the Talladega airport" piece from NASCAR Now mixed in with a couple Chase driver interviews while providing us no news from the practice session. Who were the fastest cars in the session? Which go-or-go homers are in trouble / good shape based on practice speeds? Will Michael Waltrip have to go to a backup car? (ESPN mentioned that he might be going to a backup or his crew might be repairing his car, thanks for nothing!) I wish I had been home to watch Speed's NASCAR Live show. According to other posters they did a fantastic job of following all the stories in the garage area during and after the practice session. ESPN insisted on spending their time on the air talking about everything but the stuff going on at the track, which boggles my mind. Remember the rain delay coverage at the Kansas Cup race on ABC? We saw every taped video feature in ESPN's library - seven post shake rig, Clint Bowyer's dirt track days, "franchising", etc. while getting ZERO driver interviews and never showing the viewers the current running order that would have turned into the finishing results had the rain stayed at the track. This rain fill pretty much mirrored Kansas's rain fill, except today they managed to slip in some more "Chase hype" by interviewing a couple Chasers and showing us where THEY and only THEY finished in practice.stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-67303852442842289392007-10-19T18:38:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:38:00.000-04:00The coverage improved. Glad they are trying. I'v...The coverage improved. Glad they are trying. I've moved over to SPEED.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-54057331655814743962007-10-19T18:20:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:20:00.000-04:00Not a mention of why certain cars - Harvick - Yel...Not a mention of why certain cars - Harvick - Yeley didnt go out on theire scged qualif spot.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-45760224740438862142007-10-19T18:12:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:12:00.000-04:00You still have to pay attention, and ESPN's shown ...You still have to pay attention, and ESPN's shown this season that--even with this delay-sytle format--they STILL miss runs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-12041688202676251672007-10-19T18:10:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:10:00.000-04:00Ugh.... How can you miss Bill Elliott's entire run...Ugh.... How can you miss Bill Elliott's entire run with the TiVo style format in place???????? ESPN was doing so well up until now :(stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-7945473982621842572007-10-19T18:08:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:08:00.000-04:00There is lag... we get it, we don't need to be con...There is lag... we get it, we don't need to be constantly updated. Longtime fans are used to the TiVo style qualifying format, and most of us (including myself) have been screaming for ESPN to follow the other networks' leads and adopt the same format themselves.<BR/><BR/>They have apparently listened and I am thrilled as a result!stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-34196422974685412452007-10-19T18:07:00.001-04:002007-10-19T18:07:00.001-04:00Anonymous said... So people can see how much of la...Anonymous said... <BR/>So people can see how much of lag there is ...<BR/><BR/>October 19, 2007 6:05 PM<BR/><BR/>We are aware that there is a lag. There almost always is, as the Tivo format is used often. Most of us don't mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-39844454224859804882007-10-19T18:07:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:07:00.000-04:00The "lag" gets loner as the show progresses.Why is...The "lag" gets loner as the show progresses.<BR/><BR/>Why is this important all of a sudden?<BR/><BR/> Qualifying's been done this way on SPEED for years.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-41953917541372439302007-10-19T18:05:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:05:00.000-04:00So people can see how much of lag there is ...So people can see how much of lag there is ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-58985941217522457982007-10-19T18:03:00.000-04:002007-10-19T18:03:00.000-04:00The Tivo format is great. This enables everyone to...The Tivo format is great. This enables everyone to see all the cars take their laps. Sure, there is a slight delay this way, but well worth it to see all the cars qualify. JMO There is the option to follow one of the leaderboards if you really want the up to the minute live results.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-62285356067198057012007-10-19T17:59:00.001-04:002007-10-19T17:59:00.001-04:00Why are we listing who's done?Why are we listing who's done?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-42435878413652516092007-10-19T17:59:00.000-04:002007-10-19T17:59:00.000-04:00I don't think ESPN's being dishonest about this co...I don't think ESPN's being dishonest about this coverage being slightly delayed. Fox/Speed Channel invented the TiVo style format at Rockingham in 2001. They explained what this new format was and how it would work, and I don't think they've ever "promoted" or "hyped" it since. I think most fans watching understand what's going on and can quickly figured out whether what they are watching is live or TiVo'ed.<BR/><BR/>There's a difference between a slight TiVo style delay and the 2 hour tape-delayed coverage of practice that was implied to be live earlier today. I'm guessing that they decided to tape their rain fill show earlier in the day so Speed Channel's Truck Series wouldn't be practicing in the background if they went live at 3:30. That was being dishonest to the viewers, the TiVo style format of qualifying is not dishonesty in my opinion, because it is basically the "norm" in qualifying qualifying coverage, just new to ESPN.stricklinfan82https://www.blogger.com/profile/01808897974344304657noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-4030579990438927712007-10-19T17:58:00.000-04:002007-10-19T17:58:00.000-04:00Kahne & Newman doneKahne & Newman doneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-42451505331394312232007-10-19T17:55:00.000-04:002007-10-19T17:55:00.000-04:00Problems with Yeley?? Did he have issues in pract...Problems with Yeley?? Did he have issues in practice and get an "excused" from his scheduled qualifying position??<BR/><BR/><BR/>Kurt done ...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-6516864311578648032007-10-19T17:53:00.000-04:002007-10-19T17:53:00.000-04:00All they have to do is be HONEST with us ... Tell ...All they have to do is be HONEST with us ... Tell us that you're gonna show us all of the drivers, even IF it means doing the ol' TIVO routine ... DON'T try to play it off as it being completely "live" ...<BR/><BR/><BR/>Vickers doneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2080132098367510832.post-23036790098093056252007-10-19T17:52:00.001-04:002007-10-19T17:52:00.001-04:00If not for the "TiVo" style, we'd probably miss mo...If not for the "TiVo" style, we'd probably miss most of he non-top-35 drivers' attempts!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com