The night race in Darlington this year should be outstanding. Chris Myers will start the day from the Hollywood Hotel with Darrell Waltrip and Jeff Hammond. This pre-race show is only thirty minutes long. The green flag is 7:44PM ET.
Mike Joy will call the race with Waltrip and Larry McReynolds. On pit road are Krista Voda, Dick Berggren, Matt Yocum and Steve Byrnes.
Darlington is a track where the speeds have continued to climb, well beyond what the track was designed to accommodate. This means the action is always happening very quickly. Bottom line, it is tough to cover on TV.
Aerial shots are great, as well as the famous speed shots of the cars running right up against the outside SAFER barrier. Good directors keep the cars coming around the corner in the camera shot and stay wide while the leaders run down the straight. This lets the viewers watch the race for the lead and monitor the corners, where the action usually happens.
Pit road is going to be key at Darlington as never before. Tire strategy may come into play at a track where teams were formerly forced to take four every single time. Kyle Busch said earlier on TV that teams may take two tires in order to pass on pit road.
FOX had a tough outing last week, but Darlington may be just the place to recover. Issues last week included using in-car cameras while missing the action and the lack of updates before restarts. The big issue, as it has been this entire season, is the incredible amount of commercial breaks in the races.
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Do any of the FOX camera guys contract and work for TNT also?
ummm, that's actually the left rear of bowyer's car, not the left front.
don't understand why we were shown the in-car of bowyer's car as he came down pit road: that visual adds nothing to the developing story. feels like a "well, we have that shot, let's just use it" to me.
my pitcommand is working fine
tight shots, why? Green flag racing and show a car in the pits, Why?
Are these cameras not able to show a wide shot. Do they not have the right lens in their cameras.
What happened to Jimmie Johnson? Is he in the garage?
What do you guys think of Sams future??? Does he for sure have a ride for next year?
Oh man, a Lady in Black and Darlington Stripe reference - two drinks,
Jimmie is 26th, 20 seconds off
With Shell coming in to the Penske camp, I doubt that Mobile One will be welcome.
Sam will wreck with 25 to go - happens each week.
Nothing against Cialis, but come on now....
Sam has a ride as far as Penske has said thus far. They also said they may have a replacement sponsor ready to announce in the next couple months. We'll see though
SamIAm is drifting dangerously close to chicken man territory.
His new sponsor? Bondo ?
Jonathan, IndyCar calling his name. We will take Scott Dixon to NASCAR.
no no I dont wanna see him go to Indy I like Sam! Though Dixon would be a breth of fresh air, sorta like Scott Speed has been
Wow, no love for Hornish here...
There is a group of folks who work for the NASCAR Media Group who service the networks doing TV on the weekends.
There is also a group that works specifically for ESPN, FOX, SPEED, etc...
It's only 9 on the east coast & I'm already exhausted w/trying to keep up w/the race on twitter & here & TV. Why tonite?? Because I FINALLY got hi-speed internet!! NO more dial-up for me! Still hate that the cautions happen during commls tho..:(
He's had his trial for three years. No real progress for Sam. A failed experiment.
Penske is going to flip someone. Wait and see. Penske loves Sam, but this is enough...
But NASCAR Media Group owns all footage right?
I think Scott Speed, and Max Papis (when he gets a better ride) will fare much better than Sam has
No problems with PitCommand or scanner in N. Calif.
I can't believe what I'm hearing -- Mike Joy is actually being allowed to call PxP.
Some of the camera work still needs to be improved, but it's not as herky-jerky as last week.
Penske needs to make room for Allgaier. He is the real deal.
The bigger question than Sam is about Penske's sponsorship. Is Verizon going to continue to not sponsor a Penske car the way Marlboro did for so many years.
Texas I couldnt have said it better myself it is nice this reminds me of Fox a few years back
Pretty sad that when Jimmie when to the garage, we had to learn about it from FOX RaceTrax.
But, hey, the 48 is just a back marker, right? No need to talk about him...
No real progress? He was out of the top 35 or close enough to it year 1, Last year he showed flashes on tracks like Richmond and Michigan, so early to write the guy off.
Penske with the exception of Busch has been mediocre until this year. Oh, and his teammate wadded him up at Daytona...
I like Sam and believe he is talented. I can't imagine Penske just tossing him to the curb, and I can't see Sam going back to Indycar. So unless a Sportscar seat is open and Allgaier is getting the call, Sam should be back next year though it's the final year on his contract.
perfect example of why the broadcast doesn't work sometimes:
"there's elliot sadler in his #19 ford" and we get a visual of the car running by itself. no context, no story and then . . . we're on to the next visual, this time an extended conversation about the current leader.
it's just a disconnect. sort of "OK, we'll show a car that isn't one we talk about all the time" but with no reason or context, visually or otherwise. it doesn't flow at a point where it really could flow.
didnt we say the same about David Ragan (ugh I wish he would do better I work for UPS) I think Justin Allgaier would flop just like David has in Spint Cup!
NMG rules are the same as NFL, MLB or NHL.
The league owns the footage once the TV network airs it. News can use it for 24 hours.
No NASCAR footage online unless it is on NASCAR.com website. Turner owns all the online rights.
You want fun from the IRL? Helio is your man.
As for Fox - booth is much, much, much better. Camera shots not.
Umm guys, Jimmie is on the track. Foxtrax and whoever is saying he is off is lying. He is still on the lead lap.
Verizon's last year with Penske is this year so the Shell money replaces Verizon, but it scoots Mobil out of the picture. Thats why Kez is going to the Miller sponsor.
Roger has enough money and resources they could run that car blank...or with Penske brands on it.
Only thing I heard was Hornish was going back to open wheel. Probably a relief for him. IndyCar can use him and the open slot at Penske can bring a new sponsor and driver.
Love to see if it's Bud.
Daly Planet Editor said...
What happened to Jimmie Johnson? Is he in the garage?
WOW! thatis one damning statement right there, jd! we're watching the race and don't even know where the current champion is in the race.
wow. just . . . wow.
When Menard spun, I thought, oh, it's not Hornish, lol. I like Sam, but this has gone on long enough. He's improved, but I just can't see why a sponsor would find him appealing (in his defense, neither Kvapil or Gaughan did any better in that car either.) And the Penske cars have struggled a bit in general. But I'm starting to think, if it was gonna take, it would be showing now.
Sorry, David, they weren't "lying."
Chad sent him to the garage. Yes, he came back, but Fox didn't even tell us he was there.
JD you talked about maybe Dixon coming is there any truth to that or just wishful thinking? I myself wouldnt mind seeing Tony Kanaan come to cup!
This could get fun. Johnson is about to be lapped.
Penske needs to FIRE the crew chief on Sam's team
Pay attention ... The car is either way too loose or way too tight ...
The pit crew is SLOW ... and then they have to fight the whole race to make up for mistakes that the crew chief made early on ...
Sammy won the Indy 500 ... That's as good as gold for The Captain!
There were other cars really close to Sammy and that's WHY he got into the wall ... And a certain 4-time Cup champ has been into the wall TOO today ...
About time for another convenient debris caution?
Pretty impressive if the 48 went to the garage and it's now on the lead lap...
Who is Dixon going to drive for? Ganassi has him but doesn't have the resources to run a 3rd car.
It might be interesting but hasn't anyone learned from just throwing a guy in a Cup car just how bad that result can turn out?
If it's going to happen, they need to have all the details (team, car, sponsor, etc) worked out in about another 6 weeks otherwise it ain't gonna be pretty
Sam may have won the Indy 500, but in three years in this series, his major accomplishment has been wrecking at each track.
How long do you blame the crew before you realize it is the driver hitting the wall?
No kidding. Pretty good when you lose 2 laps just pitting under green on normal conditions.
Let's talk JJ. We were told he went to the garage and Chad told him to do that.
Did he not go to the garage? No way he is on the lead lap and went to the garage even for a minute.
Anyone know what happened?
I really like it when talk in the booth turns to strategery.
My thought exactly, JD. Nice trick.
They may have told Jimmie to go to the garage, but if they worked on the car, he'd have to be lapped by now. He could have pulled behind the wall then U-turned out after a last second change of heart.
Speaking of how long do you blame the crew before looking at the driver, how's that 88 been fairing the last year or so?
@JD- perhaps Chad was being sarcastic?
screen froze here
11 made up alot of ground on stops
@David- Hush! 88 is perfect don't you know? :)
The 88? The guy who is sitting 13th in points after a couple of miserable seasons?
the leader board crawl should always show distance behind leader so you know who is a lap behind
jd, my understanding from twitter is that knaus initally wanted to bring the 48 to the garage but then decided to dink with the car on pit road.
can't say i heard ot from fox, tho.
I guess tight shots is what is accepted now a days.
Did Joy tell us if Labonte was penalilzed for knocking the cone over? I didn't hear if they did.
Anonymous - IF the car is constantly CRAP, it's pretty hard for ANYONE (including the wonder boy twins) to do any good ...
Roger is the richest team owner ... Apparently, you do NOT understand what an Indy 500 WIN means to him ... Roger has said multiple times that Sammy will be back in the # 77 Cup car next year ...
Sammy had engine problems in the Gatorade duals, Fontana and Vegas ... Had a good run going at Dega til two certain 4-time Cup champs caused wrecks ...
Yeah, if you want to see what occurs during tonight's race, you best be in Darlington, because you will not learn from NASCARonFox.
Well someone said he went to the garage and came back out...so did he or didn't he? either they tried to "break" the story and got caught early or he pulled some magical time warp, went to the garage and came out still on the lead lap.
My favorite FOX feature.
In lap/Out lap times.
I still take credit for it lol.
Has the booth told you where your driver is and why?
I was just waiting for a comparison to Michael Schumacher on DW's line about the importance of a fast lap on pit-in.
No, not tonight. I've learned more from Twitter than from TV.
tia, Look at what 2 Daytona 500's got Mikey Waltrip...
Win a big race, you get alot more rope to hang yourself with. I hope Sam does well, it's been a long road thus far but like you, I can spin it positive because I actually follow Sam and pay some attention what happens and it's not always his fault.
If Roger Penske, the "richest car owner" keeps giving Sam a crappy car, then Mr. Penske has a real problem.
Face it, Sam has not performed well in this series. When you have to list how other people have screwed him every single time, then it's Sam who is truly at fault.
Red, you were right. Kyle in 3rd =)
Jr is pissed man I know it will never happen but damn he needs to get DEI and Budweiser back on the map and somehow someway get Tony SR to be his crew cheif!!!! I know it will never never happen but it should
here we go: fox fanning the flames with how dale talks to tj or lance. c'mon, knock it off. it's what he does, they're ok with it, it's just annoying that fox is doing it once again.
Our fundamental belief here is that the role of NASCAR TV is to show the viewers at home exactly what the fans in the stands are watching.
This is a philosophy that ESPN and TNN used for years. Even if the best racing was for tenth.
These NFL guys always get caught up in tight shots of one or two cars battling and they begin to miss the big picture of the race.
It's a huge frustration. Wait until TNT starts with director Mike Wells. Totally different feel and look all race long.
Brad K. is a good barometer of what can be done in Penske cars. Let's just watch what happens this year.
Hey! It was just the "Showtime Southern 500"! How 'bout that.
@david: i take no joy in that.
and did mike joy just tell us "that bright green appendage under the front bumper of the fender is the splitter"?!? can you imagine a MLB broadcaster telling us "that bright white object with the red stiches is a baseball?"
dear fox, we are not stupid about our sport. please don't treat us that way.
Ryan Newman in his last couple years at Penske aside from winning the Daytona 500 had some very rough times, Stremme had rough times, Gaughn, Kvpil and Keselowski at times have struggled, yet you call for Sam to leave NASCAR all together?
Penske has had a constant struggle getting all 3 of their cars going well, they had problems for awhile getting 2 cars going good.
It's not as cut and dry as the driver sucks, its all his fault, get rid of him. I agree though the next 2 or 3 months are critical for Sam in whether he is back in that car next year or not. I feel like he will be but if things go really bad it could be the end.
Caution
What is that thing they try to swat the ball with?
TDP- So were the camera guys the same for ESPN last night and Fox tonight? are they Nascar Media Group provided? I appreciate all the answers... It really helps me understand all of this?
Red, you know your a closet Kyle fan.
On cue, Sam finds the fence.
Darn it. Someone made Sam hit the wall!
OK guys, easy on the Penske stuff. All I heard from an IndyCar guy was that Hornish was heading back to open wheel because of sponsorship issues. Who the heck really knows?
Speaking of Sam....
Speaking of Sam....
Most camera people work for both Espn and Fox. They just do what the director tells them to do.
Man this race coverage is just terrible. So far 95% of the time have been focused on the top 5 cars.
Not a fan of this two box pit stop thing
alright JR great pit stop up 4 spots
Late to the party but JJ never went to the garage, pitted multiple times to fix damage. Got wrecked again pitted multiple time to fix damage. Remained on lead lap until right before the caution. Is back on lead lap with a car that has 3 corners out of 4 a mess
K is only the latest driver. But I'll use him as a litmus with Sam. The canary in the mine. Sam will always do well in open wheel.
JD you know how racing is. If you make up a good enough rumor, people will run with it and one way or another it becomes true...
;)
Rob,
The NASCAR Media Group is in charge of coordinating the TV compound.
Each network shares some crew members, like high camera guys up top, but has their own crew folks too.
It's a huge logistical deal that NMG has been coordinating very well for four years now.
If you think about coming on Twitter, you can get info from TV crew folks and updates on those types of issues.
I am twitter.com/thedalyplanet
LOL i was just about to say, no head-to-head update...
JD - Really wish you'd make it so that everyone would have to get a login ...
That way the haters wouldn't be able to hide behind the "Anonymous" ...
This spoiler has killed JJ and I love it! Bout time I do not see him winning 5 in a row this year!!! I just dont see it
I hate them sometimes but that 48 shows why they are the best when they have a pre-fabed fender ready to go...
The last ten years have convinced me we will never have the near-documentary style race coverage of the past ever again. What we will have to endure is the 'interpretive reality' that current rights-holders bring us. But we can feel secure in the knowledge that we can aspire to be as intelligent as the suit in the broadcasting business.
Why? What if I sued the name "IdontlikeSam?" Would that help you somehow?
Before the race, the booth talked about cars 'coming and going' as the race goes on. Too bad they can't seem to show that as it happens. Focus on the front of the field, and you miss things like KB moving from 35th to 3rd thru the field. Have no idea how he got there, do we?
Getting more info from pit reporters tonight. MJ is much more involved and LM is off of his play by play kick.
That was the FIRST time Hammond has been used correctly between the green and checkered flags.
Ah, Digger memories!
Is that better?
jd, i can only say this: if you want to know EXACTLY what the 48 team is doing in the race, just ask newracefan! her answer will be accurate and concise!
WOW. Jimmie going to the garage now. Don't see that too often. Listen to the crowd too...
Been silently checkin in. Jury is still out on how I feel about the telecast. Camara work not hte best so far. But I have seen some pretty good discussion and it strikes me the antagonistic view of the anonymous posters tonight?
Lady Luck is only a pendulum and she is swinging back on JJ.
Interesting to hear fans cheering for the 48's wreck.
I thinks 48 turned the 43, 43 cleaned him out...
And Best Buy purchases skyrocket! :)
We better hear from both those drivers. That was HUGE.
Was told the fans were cheering for the fact that JJ got out of the car and was not injured.
Watch how they do the restart. They will focus on the top 5 cars even if they are 3 wide back in the pack.
Nope, they were cheering long before he got out of the car.
OK guys, time to regroup.
This is the TDP blog where we watch the race and talk about the TV coverage. Sorry I brought up Penske, did not mean for it to be a mess.
Back to the TV coverage for the duration. Thanks.
Spin. They were cheering the fact he wrecked...
At least that is my theory.
Hard to tell sometimes what audio goes where. Were they cheering because 48 wrecked or because he got out ok? Live TV is a relative term, isn't it. TV is behind Twitter and radio is behind TV 65 sec.
jd may I ask why that got deleted??? I didnt say anything bad just were my thoughts
Dinger lost his brakes, hope we hear that interview on FOX and it should be interesting to see what JJ says.
JD, with all the camera angles and onboards, how can they not have a better shot of the 48 wreck?
TV audio and video are synchronized.
They were cheering for the wreck.
Jonathan, we are going to get back on the TV track, OK?
...I've been to dozens of races...crowd cheers whenever someone wrecks. Human nature, not a nice quality of race fans.
I think the booth is doing a better job than last week. Better pxp and Larry and DW seemed to have toned it down. Camera work and shot selection is a little better.
100 cameras there and they can't capture 'Dinger going way down on the apron. Inexcusable IMO
Well, that's an explanation. Thanks AJ.
Nice interview from Dick, wonder if JJ is next?
Good job by Dr. Dirt getting the scoop from AJ. Was a bizarre situation
Glad to hear from both drivers.
Thank you, FOX.
@JD-Matter of interpretation I think.
"100 cameras" all focused on the top 10 cars. THAT is why they miss action.
DW still trying to find a reason to blame AJ...
Good care center interviews!
Glad they interviewed both drivers. Dr. Dirt Rules
FOX has another half to go. Whew!
Dr. Dirt is probably the best next to JP on pit road.
I could actually have withstood an explanation of the braking system from Hammond's Tim Brewer impersonation after that one.
Still aren't using anti-lock brakes, correct?
good follow up from Fox with AJ & Jimmie. Talented guys at two totally different places in their careers.
Anon 9:52PM,
Reporter Monte Dutton calls this "the track too tough to cover."
Agreed, Dick is one of the best and a great job getting words with both parties involved
Think Hammond is setting up the brake demo?
They do not. ABS requires an on board computer which is another no-no
Anti-lock brake technology has the ability to become traction control-a nono in racing.
I guess. But still, Fox gets bit by this tendency to ignore anyone not in the top 10 week after week. They forget that the other cars will have an impact on the race too.
They never learn.
From reporter Jeff Gluck listening to Junior's scanner: "I wouldn't buy tickets to watch 367 (laps) of this sh*t!"
JD im glad fox has another half to go, they've done a great job so far lets see how this half goes. HERE WE GO
At this rate we are looking at 4 hours for this race
The Definition Of Insanity
DW keeps talking over Mike Joy.
When I had this fight with them last season, one guy told me they did not care because they are gone after X number of races. Nice huh?
You should see some of the angry email I get from TV folks. Whew.
@David and anon 9:54
I forgot all about the ABS as traction control issue.
And I followed F1 pretty closely when there was all the talk about it in the 90s.
And no demo yet . . .
and in the space of 3 seconds, dw swings from young mr busch being the one to watch on restarts to waxing poetic about mcmurray.
Shoulda started earler - will not end by 11 pm
Bipolar?
At the beginning of a restart we get a verizon dirt shot. Does Fox really think they are showing us the race.
JD: My understanding is that if it is filmed at a race track during a race weekend (72 hours prior to a race, 24 hours after) NASCAR owns the footage. Period. You have to be approved by NASCAR to shoot at the track, and you cannot use the footage anywhere without explicit permission. NASCAR doesn't just own the video that is aired - they own everything shot at the track.
I *am* a "TV Folk" and I find Fox's technical performance to be thoroughly embarrassing. They should be ashamed.
His daddy wanted four EVERY TIME.
Especially in the bias-ply tire era.
It's bad. Regan Smith in a brand new RCR car having a great run tonight! top 15, no mention.
Good job staying ontop of Smoke there...
well turned on tv on mute with phone call *My sister picked up new 10 wk old puppy from breeder. Havanese* Can't LISTEN to MRN & talk on phone so on came tv with cc.
Thought JJ just spun at first but HARD HIT. Did any camera show the BEGINNING of AJ's brakes going out? How did he zoom up the track so quickly. Frightening. We couldn't find it on the DVR..Guess tv totally missed it.
Glad everybody is ok though...scary hit for JJ & wild ride for AJ. back to MRN...LOVE the car noises as MRN goes to and from commercial...radio just lets you hear the distant car noise :)
ack. TONY spins...what is GOING on!? Stuff on the track?
So happy to see Max Papis still running. Not sure if you all saw sounds of Nascar last monday and it was all about Papis and it was a great great show good for him
Kyle asking if he has a broken splitter brace, left front under headlight. Told guys to have bahre bond ready and anything else.
No big change DW. They said yesterday that the tires were putting a lot of stuff on the track, even speculated that NASCAR might blow the track during cautions to clean it.
@anon 9:58 p.m.
This race is a particular catch-22
If you start earlier you run into baseball and break the "same start times" rule Nascar went with this year.
Other alternative is to make it a shorter race, which normally I would be ok with, but 500 miles at Darlington is such a part of history.
Anon@9:45...Thanks for that. We are so used to people saying we kvetch for no reason. All we really want is coverage of the race as it happens, with information about all the cars on the track. Is it really too much to expect to be able to follow the race just watching the TV?
Missed the race off. Think these guys are rattled a bit.
anon @9:59: see the definition of "sarcastic humor."
just like his dad, he ALWAYS wants 4 but he leaves it up to his crew chief -- and then complains afterward.
actually, that exchange sounded very relaxed to this 88 fan -- but still unncessary audio from fox.
sort of looked like tony spun it on purpose...
jd, don't know if they're rattled or just falling into old, familiar patterns now b/c it takes less work.
The guys in the booth and the production truck got knocked for a loop with the Dinger/JJ crash. They need to step back, breath deep and start again. reign it back in boys. there is a lot of racing left.
Was that Mike Joy as John Madden?
Anon 9:58PM,
Those are the non-program rights. You have to get either a news credit or deal with NMG if you are shooting for commercial or PR or a show for post.
Really close to NFL and PGA guidelines, those are the two they used when setting it up.
NMG currently produces all the Speed Stage shows. One reason SPEED started Race Hub and moved NASCAR Performance to the their own studio.
Regan Smith is up in the top 10 and I haven't heard his named mentioned tonight, of course, hubby keeps on rewinding the dvr so I think we might be missing some parts.
anon @ 9:45- Do you work in Sports TV or just TV? is there a difference between the two? What would you like to see them do?
Ok were going to show you a restart and only show you the underneath of the cars. Gee
Oh no just when I give them an attaboy LM and DW start in with their play by play and stepping all over MJ.
This zoom in and in-car stuff is just awful.
#18 Team Communications:
"Double your freshness, double your fun!"
KyBu when he's happy
That is interpretive.
not awfull to me I love it
What you do is show tight shots and in-car cams and if anything happens on the track just show a replay. Simple.
Howhardcanititbe.com
Right?
There's a Syracuse, NY's Regan Smith reference!
Also, as noted here previously, Mike Joy always cites hometowns of people from modified country.
34 cars on the lead lap? Can we see them maybe just once?
oh yeah Regan Smith running 11th wow that is nice VERY NICE! love to see the smaller teams up in the mix
oops 24
Good call to Regan. hope that Hendrick engine holds together this week....
Has DW taken a breath tonight? I wonder if there's a blimp to show the lights around the whole track.
i. am. so. tired. of. hearing. dw.
so, so tired.
and it's NOT a "joint," dw: it's an effin race track. a joint is something else entirely!
DW woke up - he had been somewhat tame.
quite a few cars off track. 35th on back off
You would think when they talked about the brakes they would have done a tight shot but they did a wide shot of almost the whole track. Makes sense to me.
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No, really . . . see the logo up there?
The picture choices are just so painful to watch right now.
You have to wonder when they stopped caring on this one?
go daddy - GO AWAY !
Regan's actually from a place called Cato, but...Syracuse is close enough, lol. Big racing community there. DIRT.
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