Sunday, February 10, 2008

In-Progress At Daytona: Pole Qualifying for Daytona 500


The NASCAR on Fox broadcast team returns at 1PM Eastern Time Sunday for the Daytona 500 pole qualifying session.

As fans may remember, this is a long process with fifty-plus cars taking runs. The challenge for the TV network, as usual, has always been the placement of commercials.

With no "top 35" rule in effect because of the Daytona format, the entire group will just run in continuous qualifying with no interruption. This should challenge the network to coordinate well in advance their commercial and promotional rundown.

Larry McReynolds is just the person to explain this new qualifying dynamic because of the COT. In pre-season testing he went in-depth about the emphasis on the motor because of the identical body styles of this new car. For those of us who are a little bit older, it will be interesting not to see the complaining about the body styles and who has the advantage. That was a given at Daytona.

SPEED previews this session with a Go or Go Home show at 11:30AM Eastern, and then follows it with a ninety minute NASCAR Live at 4:30PM.

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39 comments:

Anonymous said...

Is SPEED HD only on DIRECTV? If so is this due to FOX ownership of DIRECTV? I see my local Comcast is adding 8-10 new HD channels on Monday, but SPEED is not one of them.

Anonymous said...

Why is SPEED blabing away during the National Anthem? Wendy talking away on pit road while everyone else is standing silent for our Anthem.

SophiaZ123 said...

why is there a national anthem?

Do they do this for qualifying?

I am not familiar with this...also silly me thought THIS go or go home was going to be qualifying...this is the most confusing title for a show.

I did not know Fox owned DIRECT TV.

The things I learn here.

Newracefan said...

Go or Go Home was what Speed called the last 30 minutes of Nascar Live (right before qualifying) last year although they did not concentrate on those teams outside the top 35 so the title was sort of a joke. This show they did which was a great improvement and made it fit the title. I don't know if this is just for the 500 or ongoing.

Anonymous said...

FOX does not own DirecTV. DirecTV is partially owned by NEWSCORP, which also happens to own SPEED and FOX.

Due to the relationship between SPEED and DirecTV, DirecTV is the first to carry SPEED HD.

It is your cable company's fault if they do not have SPEED HD. Sure SPEED can do more to get cable companies on board, but the cable CO's are the ones making everyone without direcTV wait for SPEED HD.

Chad Little said...

So, FOX, SPEED & DIRECTV are owned by same company!!! No reason the cable companies would want to have DIRECTV get first crack at SPEED HD?.

Anonymous said...

Chad Little said...
So, FOX, SPEED & DIRECTV are owned by same company!!! No reason the cable companies would want to have DIRECTV get first crack at SPEED HD?.

February 10, 2008 1:36 PM


DirecTV is PARTIALLY owned by NEWSCORP.

All this means is DirecTV has more HD channels like SPEED HD at this time. And that should encourage cable companies to get more HD channels.
It is in SPEEDs best interest the be carried on other cable companies as soon as posible.

Daly Planet Editor said...

Hey Guys,

Let me help you out. DirecTV got SPEED going because of the corporate ownership issue.

All of the other HD providers, both cable and dish, make their own independent decisions about adding a new HD service.

Rick Miner, the SPEED VP in charge of this project, will update us this week on the list of what big cable companies (called MSO's) are in the process of adding the channel.

I will post the info when I get it.

Thanks,

JD

stricklinfan82 said...

Well obviously my request of yesterday for the Fox production crew to front-load the commercials so they could show all the go-or-go homers run with no interruption at the end of the session got wiped out because NASCAR dropped the ball and for some reason doesn't apply the new qualifying order rule to the Daytona 500. So when there's 7/8 spots on the line for go-or-go homers it's important for them to qualify together so no one gets a big weather advantage, but when there's only 3/4 spots available in time trials it's okay to let go-or-go homers qualify as much as 3 hours apart? Someone's gonna have to explain that one to me. Hopefully the Fox guys interview one of the go-or-go homers and ask them about this because it certainly doesn't seem fair at all.

I wish Fox was using the TiVo style format so we could see every qualifying run but since they aren't they're at least doing the right thing and not skipping any of the go-or-go homers for commercials so far....

Newracefan said...

Thanks JD I'm confused enough trying to understand why those outside the top 35 don't want one of their own to be one of the top 2 as per Mike Joy to try and figure out why I don't have Speed HD

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stricklinfan82 said...

newracefan,

Here's a clarification to what Mike Joy was saying about the front row / go-or-go home situation....

They take the top 2 go-or-go homers from each Duel, which leaves 3 spots for the fastest qualifiers not already in and 1 for the champion's provisional (or a 4th on Speed).

If Joe Nemechek for example qualifies 3rd fastest, he's guaranteed a spot in the field no matter what because he'll definitely be able to fall back on one of those 3 spots reserved for speeds regardless of what happens on Thursday. However, Joe could still race is way in on Thursday and let another guy make the field based on his speed.

If Joe qualifies on the front row, he's locked in to starting 1st or 2nd in the 500 and won't have the opportunity to "race his way in" on Thursday and open up and extra spot for a fast qualifier.

It's all complicated and hard to understand I know, but hopefully that helped clear things up a little bit anyway.

Newracefan said...

Thanks Stricklinfan the lightbulb just went on

SophiaZ123 said...

I never was great in math but I feel one needs to know calculus (or something) to understand the convoluted rules of qualifying...not to mention for Daytona but thanks for posting it here, SLFan !

:-)

stricklinfan82 said...

I don't blame you guys that are a little bit confused. The one element the Fox guys haven't explained is that more than just the 3 fastest go-or-go homers can make the field based on today's speeds.

Last year Boris Said, Sterling Marlin, and Johnny Sauter won the 3 guaranteed spots in qualifying. None of them qualified on the front row so still had a chance to "race their way in" on Thursday and open up another spot for a fast qualifier. Said raced his way in, which let David Reutimann (who was the 4th fastest go-or-go homer in qualifying) make the race.

In 2006 the fastest go-or-go homers in qualifying, in order, were Bill Elliott, Travis Kvapil, Hermie Sadler, Robby Gordon, Kevin Lepage, and Kirk Shelmerdine.

Bill Elliott, Robby Gordon, and Kevin Lepage all raced their way in on Thursday which let Kvapil, Sadler, and Shelmerdine make the field on speeds (Terry Labonte took the champion's provisional).

So the 4th-7th fastest go-or-go homers in qualifying today could still make the 500 if enough go-or-go homers with faster qualifying speeds then them race their way in on Thursday and don't need to fall back on their time (and again, if a go-or-go homer makes the front row, he can't race his way in and will automatically have one of the spots reserved for qualifying speed).

Newracefan said...

That means Jimmie and Tony need to bump Joe so the Duals are even more nailbiting. Guess I won't get much work done thurs afternoon, too bad I don't have speakers on the office computer.

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stricklinfan82 said...

Go figure. I praise Fox for not skipping any go-or-go homers for commercial breaks and then they skip Ken Schrader and Carl Long on back-to-back breaks.

All TV networks, please stop skipping the go-or-go home cars during qualifying! They are the most important cars in these sessions and should never be skipped.

Newracefan said...

SLF True but at least they talked about Schrader which is a little better than ESPN who acted like they were never on the track. Notice I said a little better

GO JIMMIE wow

Anonymous said...

Carl Long was not important. He even said himself we would qualify poor.

stricklinfan82 said...

Yet another go-or-go home car skipped for a commercial break. I expected that from ESPN, I didn't expect that from the usually dependable Fox guys. I'm very disappointed.

Anonymous said...

People...this broadcast has to be done before the probowl...no chance for "tivo style"

AND all the required commercials need to be put in...where would you put the commercials? over jr's laps or over Carl Long's laps?

it's just part of the business and the scheduling for today...Commercial must be put in somewhere...

GS

Kevin said...

Great. I live in VA. outside of D.C. My local Fox channel just interrupted qualifying for a news conference, and comments saying Jim Zorn was the new coach. That was in the Washington Post, this MORNING! I'm made because I was caught up in the qualifying runs and then "boom" off to a needless press conference that is still going on. Maybe Fox the network needs to have some say in the local control. I am so pis****.

Anonymous said...

sorry to hear that...I believe local affiliates are allowed to interrupt for news coverage though.

Hopefully the news conference will be over soon.

GS

stricklinfan82 said...

GS,

You don't have to skip Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt Jr. to show all the go-or-go homers. You can skip the worst of the top 35 teams, for which qualifying is basically irrelevant. If you have 15 commercial breaks skip the guys 21st-35th in the points, unless practice speeds show them as pole threats, in which case you bump up and skip the 20th car, etc.

In my opinion the go-or-go homers should be the primary focus of every qualifying day - whether you're Michael Waltrip, Dale Jarrett, Eric McClure, or Carl Long. They are the drivers that matter the most.

I hate that any driver should ever be skipped, but if someone HAS TO be skipped in a situation like today I think it should be a lower-tier top 35 team, and never a go-or-go home car.

Anonymous said...

stricklinfan82,

I believe the reason they don't do that is because they are thinking, If they are in the top 35 they must be an OK team and the cars with the biggest fan bases are in the top 35.

That might be up for debate though.

GS

Newracefan said...

Let's face it unless they can add enough extra time for commercials someone will not be missed. I believe all teams are important and am somewhat torn between seeing Carl Long or Kyle Petty. They are actually doing some of that, did anyone see Paul Menard? Unfortunately there has to be a choice. Perhaps the timing will not always be this crucial and Fox can tivo all the cars. Overall I am happy with the coverage, that of course could be because I'm a JImmie and Mikey fan

Newracefan said...

I ment will be missed

Newracefan said...

All this discussion aside, their timing is a little off and the could have tivoed more cars. Were at the last car and this os scheduled to air til 4:30. Now what?

Anonymous said...

post qualifying show? I think they had to plan a little extra time just in case a crash or any other delay would bring qualifying right up to the start of the probowl.

GS

stricklinfan82 said...

Okay, for those of you that don't quite understand all the qualifying intricacies here's a cheat sheet that you can reference on Thursday to follow who will or will not make the field:

(this assumes that Michael Waltrip can't "race his way in" as Mike Joy referenced earlier, this is the first time a go-or-go homer ever qualified on the front row so I'm assuming that Joy and I are both correct in our readings of the rules)

Group A: 78, 00, 60, 10, 83, 27
Group B: 2, 44, 21
Group C: 84, 87, 37, 49, 34, 09, 50, 08

Cross out the 2 drivers that race their way into the Daytona 500 in each Duel race. That leaves 3 spots left to make the 500. They will go to the first 2 drivers left in group A and the first driver left in group B (if no drivers are left in group B then revert back to the next available group A driver).

Newracefan said...

GS Good point I didn't think of that

SophiaZ123 said...

since they SKIPPED one of my fave guys (schrader) can't they at least repeat his car on the track or would that be stupid? they have 30 minutes left

I gotta agree with StrickFan there has to be a better way to do this.

I AM happy to see Mikey interviewed and happy. Was a horrible year last year.

SophiaZ123 said...

I will be one of the few watching the Duels live.

I have read online how that works but qualifying for DAYTONA is mighty complicated. Geez.

I can't wait for the new show tomorrow night to see Kenny and hear Mikey be so thankful. Hope I like the new show.

I am glad to know they skipped racers and it wasn't me. it's bitter cold here and I had to break up water several times outside for birds and wildlife.:)

Anonymous said...

FYI, Newscorp- parent company of Fox and Speed, does not own DirecTV. They haven't for about a year now.

elena said...

I think Fox did a great job. I am sure they allowed a lot of time due to the Pro Bowl. There is no way they were going to skip the beginning of the game. NFL is still the most popular sport and more popular than the next 2 sports put together. For some of us, 7 month break is a long time.

I will be curious to see what the ratings are (on Fox)this season compared to last. Last season Fox had a 5.9 and that was with 2 rained out dates. Who knows, we might get some fans in NY once they see the Daytona 500 in Central Park on that big screen.

Daly Planet Editor said...

Since the HD issue is such a hot topic, I will try to put a story together about it for Monday night.

Big media companies like Liberty Media and News Corp. are very interesting, and I will ask them about the DirectTV issue.

I should get a SPEED update on the HD roll-out soon.

JD

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...
FYI, Newscorp- parent company of Fox and Speed, does not own DirecTV. They haven't for about a year now.

February 10, 2008 4:50 PM

That may be true, but Rupert Murdoch, chairman of NEWSCORP, is ALSO chairman of DirecTV.


JD, I would like an article about SPEED HD. I also would like an explanation for what I heard from my cable company, COX. They say they have not heard ANYTHING form SPEED about SPEED HD. They say they have no reason to add a channel they have not heard about.

Rockin Rich said...

Like Kevin, I live in Va., and receive FOX from WTTG in Wash. DC., (via cable on SD TV). They cut in for the Redskins news conference at 3:00, and stayed with it for 30-40 or so minutes.

There was much gnashing of teeth, cussing,etc. at the "GarageBar" where I watch the races with some other guys. I understand the need for WTTG to cover this. There undoubtedly would have been far more very angry complaints if they had not shown the event live. They did run a side by side window with the qualifying in it.

That being said, it was a very poor execution. The window was so small, it was almost impossible to identify the car on the track unless there was a closeup of its number. It absolutely WAS impossible to read the scoring times.

If I had known a number to call and complain, I would have.

It sure would be intriguing to see if this would have happened during the actual race. I expect THAT would have generated some real nasty calls.

Oh well, in the bigger picture, it wasn't an earth shattering event. I hope there isn't an equally important, (to Wash. DC area folks), event during the race.